Klotz Estorin Synthetic oil anyone using it?

PHM · #1 (**permalink**) 04-01-2010, 08:06 AM

It makes perfect sense to me. I have my own machine shop and in our cnc machines we run a water saluable coolent where you mix water with special oil additive. When you blend the two you MUST put the oil in a bucket and add the water. If you fill the bucket 1st then add the oil the experts say it will not mix properly. I thought this was a bunch of bull poop because i have done it that way for years. But i was proven wrong and could actually see the difference. I am not a scientist but i just called Klotz and they told me the exact same thing that these additives are not even close the the same as the real thing and they as well mentioned that base oil needs to be at certain temp the the zink and phosferous to blend properly and not seperate. Don't take my word for it call them. The reason i started this post was not to try and save money on oil but to buy the best oil i could for my application. I have over 20 g's and buy paying a few extra dollars on the right oil is a small price to pay. Just my opinion.

CobraEd · #2 (**permalink**) 04-01-2010, 08:14 AM

I didn't get the opinion that u were trying to save money. I felt that you were trying to find a good compromise of the best oil in conjunction with high ZDDP.

My point was that u can find the very best oil out there (your choice) and then add the ZDDP to give the the best of all worlds. I don't have the specific knowledge to agrue your point about the blending method, but I am highly skeptical as the ZDDP comes already mixed in some oil. Who knows

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mdross1 · #3 (**permalink**) 04-01-2010, 08:23 AM

Makes a person wonder just how many are having problems with premature cam wear using the new oils

PHM · #4 (**permalink**) 04-01-2010, 09:36 AM

I think that if you use Klotz, Gibbs or Brad Penn and i'm sure there is a couple more that have enough of the Zink and Phosferous There is no need for any addititve at all. But i suppose it wouldnt hurt to add it. I just talked to my engine builder and he said he would only warantee the motor if i used oil with this already in it. Not using an additive. I don't know if he is trying to just have a warantee loophole which i don't thik so. But maybe he has found a difference i don't know.

CobraEd · #5 (**permalink**) 04-01-2010, 10:05 AM

I guess my question is, aside from their ZDDP additive, how good is their actual oil?????? Is it as good as Mobil 1 or Royal Purple ? It seems a shame to compromise on "unknown oil" just to get ZDDP.

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PHM · #6 (**permalink**) 04-02-2010, 05:08 AM

I think this oil is ALOT better IMO. There is a reason for the price. I know that Klots has been around for a long time in the 2 stroke market and after talking with them this Estorlin was devoloped with the help of Nascar just like the Gibbs stuff. I asked why you dont see Klots stickers on the car and they told me that depending on the race some are running the Klots but cannot advertize it because of the big dollars that Mobile 1 and the others are sponsering. They said that they do advertize with the ARCA cars though.