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[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I think the key sentence in Ned's statement is:


Just like politicians, positions and opinions can evolve. There may be a movement afoot to remove the Shelby "true replicas", Kirkham and SPF GT40 replicas from the SAAC Registry. I'd certainly support it. There's just too many replicas to keep track of and the SAAC Registrars are just volunteers.

As for the 3000 series resurrection Cobras, at $500,000 per copy , they'll be the best Shelby replicas available.

Yes, when Shelby started making Cobras again there was some discussion just how to deal with them. It was an interesting issue as to how to deal with them. I think SAAC made the correct decision in including the new Shelby Cobras as it is part of the continuation evolution of Shelby American. They have dealt with them logically, fairly and correctly. As to the inclusion of other cars they have their reasons and they are free to revisit their decisions. It's their club and their Registry but having cataloged many new Shelby Cobras it would seem counter productive to just leave them out if we are cataloging Shelby Cobras and the ongoing history and developments.

They have clearly broken out the original historic cars to their own chapters.

You say their may be a movement afoot? Funny, I haven't heard of any such movement. You have decided there are too many cars to keep track of? Does SAAC concur with you? Who is your source? Please tell us. Talk about "spin".

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Yes, when Shelby started making Cobras again there was some discussion just how to deal with them. It was an interesting issue as to how to deal with them. I think SAAC made the correct decision in including the new Shelby Cobras as it is part of the continuation evolution of Shelby American. They have dealt with them logically, fairly and correctly. As to the inclusion of other cars they have their reasons and they are free to revisit their decisions. It's their club and their Registry but having cataloged many new Shelby Cobras it would seem counter productive to just leave them out if we are cataloging Shelby Cobras and the ongoing history and developments.

They have clearly broken out the original historic cars to their own chapters.

You say their may be a movement afoot? Funny, I haven't heard of any such movement. You have decided there are too many cars to keep track of? Does SAAC concur with you? Who is your source? Please tell us. Talk about "spin".

It's a club alright. They can decide who's included and excluded. And the only certainty about the future is that we change and evolve. There may come a time that SAAC washes their hands of all replicas, including the Shelbys.

Speaking spin, SAAC has them with logically, fairly and correctly, well, that's your opinion. I disagree. All Cobra, Daytona Coupe and GT40 replicas in the Registry should be removed. Then we're talking about logically, fairly and correctly. Cars built 50 years later that aren't built by the same company, using the same parts and built by the same employees are simply REPLICAS.

Hopefully the SAAC Board and membership will evolve and remove everything but the originals. That's what I would do.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

It's a club alright. They can decide who's included and excluded. And the only certainty about the future is that we change and evolve. There may come a time that SAAC washes their hands of all replicas, including the Shelbys.

Speaking spin, SAAC has them with logically, fairly and correctly, well, that's your opinion. I disagree. All Cobra, Daytona Coupe and GT40 replicas in the Registry should be removed. Then we're talking about logically, fairly and correctly. Cars built 50 years later that aren't built by the same company, using the same parts and built by the same employees are simply REPLICAS.

Hopefully the SAAC Board and membership will evolve and remove everything but the originals. That's what I would do.

You may certainly disagree with SAAC. Free country.

....So then if SAI had remained in existence without interruption and today still produced the same Cobra but the sources of parts, chassis and employees were different they would still be replicas/fakes?

They would be what they are today, Shelby Cobras produced at a different time and place with new components. Same car just newer.

By your logic once a manufacturer stops making a car they can never make the car again. Silly.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

You may certainly disagree with SAAC. Free country.

....So then if SAI had remained in existence without interruption and today still produced the same Cobra but the sources of parts, chassis and employees were different they would still be replicas/fakes?

They would be what they are today, Shelby Cobras produced at a different time and place with new components. Same car just newer.

By your logic once a manufacturer stops making a car they can never make the car again. Silly.

Same car? puh-leeze. Your 4000 series body has different aluminum for one thing. Different metallurgy. Different thickness. Differences galore. A '60's top loader and side oiler doesn't make your replica an original.

Your hypothetical is null and void. And my logic is correct. The Cobra and many other vehicles of the 1960's didn't survive because they couldn't meet modern standards of safety and emissions. Porsches and Corvettes evolved, but they're no where near the same car as built in the 1960's. And if Cobras were built today, they would have impact protection, air bags, catalytic converters, etc. they'd probably look a lot like a SRT Viper, in fact.

Nothing remains the same. The SAAC Board and membership will change someday. And so shall replica definitions.