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Bill D 12-08-2014 02:58 PM

Need some guidance before I proceed
 
Ok, the time has come to weld together my 289 forward braced roll bar. But before I proceed with what I believe is the correct approach, I would like the pros to chime in.

I plan to cut the forward brace about 8" from the point where it welds to the hoop. Will then weld the insert into the top pice with a series of rosette welds. I will then put the two pieces together and drill the holes in the bottom piece to secure the two pieces.

Next I will install the hoop and align the brace, tack weld, remove, and final weld.

Let me know if this is the correct way or not. I plan to use 5/16 grade 8 bolts (2) to secure the upper and lower portions of the forward brace

Thanks
Bill D

vector1 12-09-2014 03:52 AM

Not familiar with your setup but the final weld could possibly move things around a little depending how hot the parts get, shrinkage you know, allow for movement.

mickmate 12-09-2014 04:39 AM

Sounds good Bill. Take a little time on the fit of the fish mouth. As vector points out the weld shrinkage is a consideration and a good fit minimizes that. Balance the welds if you can. Weld one side and spin and weld the other. Sides first because the ends really change the angle, especially the underneath one. I use 3/8" bolts on the 7's but 5/16" grade 8 should be fine, they are in double shear.

Scott427 12-13-2014 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mickmate (Post 1329086)
Sounds good Bill. Take a little time on the fit of the fish mouth. As vector points out the weld shrinkage is a consideration and a good fit minimizes that. Balance the welds if you can. Weld one side and spin and weld the other. Sides first because the ends really change the angle, especially the underneath one. I use 3/8" bolts on the 7's but 5/16" grade 8 should be fine, they are in double shear.

Not sure I would follow this guy's advice, looking at that frame he built that was cut up sure looked questionable in the welding.

Three Peaks 12-14-2014 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott427 (Post 1329707)
Not sure I would follow this guy's advice, looking at that frame he built that was cut up sure looked questionable in the welding.

Scott427, how about describing your expertise as a welder so we can determine if your criticism of someone else's work is warranted or just more BS piling on Nick here. A couple pics don't really tell the whole story IMHO.

Bernica 12-14-2014 07:08 PM

I posted this on another thread, but will do so here as well.
These are most excellent on fitting pipe, IMHO.

Products | PipeMaster™ - The Welder's Tool for Contour Fits

redmt 12-15-2014 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Three Peaks (Post 1329760)
Scott427, how about describing your expertise as a welder so we can determine if your criticism of someone else's work is warranted or just more BS piling on Nick here. A couple pics don't really tell the whole story IMHO.

Would you like to see the pix of the Crapton welds that are on the crap he sent me? Your backing the wrong horse.
Would you like to see my welding credentials? I was certified structural, and high pressure vessel. I have over 40 years fabrication experience with stick, MIG, and gas welding. I was certified in carbon arc, and burning.
Crapton's welds are erratic and cold. His welds look like bird****.
Now, where's your credentials?

G-Pete 12-15-2014 01:51 PM

Pictures are always good...


http://photos.imageevent.com/germanp...m_DSC06745.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/germanp...m_DSC06746.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/germanp...m_DSC06748.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/germanp...m_DSC06753.jpg

Little grinding and paint....

http://photos.imageevent.com/germanp...m_DSC09073.jpg

1985 CCX 12-15-2014 07:16 PM

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Might want to fit a seat as the front brace looks short.
Looks great, just be sure the seat will not be blocked.
Mine extends into the footbox.
My frame is not as heavily modified just easier to check now than later.
Awesome job!

1985 CCX 12-15-2014 07:18 PM

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Seat fit.

Jamo 12-15-2014 08:47 PM

Gents...cool it.

Thank you for your expected cooperation.

Bill D 12-16-2014 12:50 AM

OK, got everything cut, fitted, and ready to be TIG

Drilled the mounting holes in one end of the insert
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...ps83d4d6e0.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...ps3913d7aa.jpg

Welded the insert into the short section of the brace with 6 rosette welds
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...ps8a95c4f4.jpg

And filed the welds smooth, checking for voids, and rewelding as needed
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...ps04c5dced.jpg

Installed the hoop and brace, fitted the fishmouth and the point where the brace attaches to the frame
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...psaf4c193b.jpg

Installed the passenger seat and checked clearance
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...ps8c1d97be.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...pseace18de.jpg

G-Pete 12-16-2014 06:33 AM

Do not bank so much on that rollbar. Back then, these rollbars were required to be able to get the driver out of the car when it was upside down.
Depending on how good you are strapped down in the car that rollbar (lack of rollcage) does not much to protect your melon.
Sorry to bust your bubble....

http://photos.imageevent.com/germanp...ize/asedee.jpg
http://photos.imageevent.com/germanp...r%20shelby.jpg

Scott427 12-16-2014 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Three Peaks (Post 1329760)
Scott427, how about describing your expertise as a welder so we can determine if your criticism of someone else's work is warranted or just more BS piling on Nick here. A couple pics don't really tell the whole story IMHO.

Call it want you want Sir, but it takes no experienced welder to look at those welds to see they are rough, and that's putting it nice.
As for pilling on the BS you bet, this work is very sub par.

What's your expertise to call it different?

Scott427 12-16-2014 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by redmt (Post 1329912)
Would you like to see the pix of the Crapton welds that are on the crap he sent me? Your backing the wrong horse.
Would you like to see my welding credentials? I was certified structural, and high pressure vessel. I have over 40 years fabrication experience with stick, MIG, and gas welding. I was certified in carbon arc, and burning.
Crapton's welds are erratic and cold. His welds look like bird****.
Now, where's your credentials?

Well three peaks?


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