Mystery solved. Shelby Trust to sell Real Cobras

[Bernica]

WOW!

[rodneym]

Woah. This is better than any of us could have imagined. I heard of Bill's 'accumulation' but I didn't know that it went that far.

David,
Any more info on your billet Girlings? I remember seeing pics a while ago but I can't remember details. Will they be for sale?

[fordracing65]

AWESOME, God has Shelby parts for sale, no wonder they cost so much...

[REAL 1]

David out of the list what are the differences from a Current Kirkham 427SC or a past Kirkhams aside from original NOS parts?



Goodies include:
original copper radiator: Do Kirkhams use dimensionally the same size radiators
original fuel logcan vary with build
original 1 3/8 roll barsize of standard Kirkham rollbars?
Lucas switches/electricalsource of standard Kirkham switches. Are they the same aesthetically?
Lucas headlights (still in the box)
original seat tracksWhat is difference from Kirkham seat tracks?
original iron differential Is it dimensionally the same?
original 1/2 shaftsAre they dimensionally the same as Kirkham and are they different material?
original 1965 iron side oiler block
original 1965 forged steel 427 crank
Shelby heads (new Shelby heads). I really don't mind they are "new" heads in the slightest--Bill makes really nice stuff.
Top Loader transmission
Original reproduction suspension What is difference from Kirkham suspension in the 427SC?
solid rotors--like original
Girling reproduction brake calipers (Kirkham billet, you can't tell the difference--they are SWEET pieces made from high heat resistant 2219 aluminum). What is difference from Kirkhams?
original, in the box, voltage regulator
original, in the box, Lucas electrical everywhere
Smith's gauges
Original Lucas wiper motor!!! (Impossible to find)

Pricing on the new cars?

[David Kirkham]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

David out of the list what are the differences from a Current Kirkham 427SC or a past Kirkhams aside from original NOS parts?



Goodies include:
original copper radiator: Do Kirkhams use dimensionally the same size radiators

No, the original radiator is very thick--it is like a 3 1/2 or a 4 inch core. Our radiator is aluminum and has a 2 1/2 inch core. We make them here in our shop.

original fuel logcan vary with build

The original fuel log is a 7/8 round tube of steel with dual feeds welded to it. The intake is a 1/4 NPT and the outlet is also a 1/4 NPT. The outlet connects to the fuel pressure gauge in the dash. Today we run the outlet to a bypassing fuel pressure regulator which circulates fuel back into the tank--this greatly reduces vapor locking.

original 1 3/8 roll barsize of standard Kirkham rollbars?

We use a 1 1/2 inch roll bar. That is pretty much mandated by all sanctioning bodies now.

Lucas switches/electricalsource of standard Kirkham switches. Are they the same aesthetically?

We use K-Four switches. I just couldn't take the Price of Darkness anymore.

Lucas headlights (still in the box)
original seat tracksWhat is difference from Kirkham seat tracks?

We make both the original track (bent sheet metal and VERY expensive) and our a billet aluminum seat track.

original iron differential Is it dimensionally the same?

We make an aluminum differential that is very close. We also make one that has several upgrades we "borrowed" from the Ford 9" and F1. We use a screw in side axle housing now that makes adjustments much easier. The locking mechanism for the screw in housings I got from a friend who makes parts for F1. We use billet aluminum mounts. The original mounts were forged steel on top and a fabricated sheet metal mount on the front.

original 1/2 shaftsAre they dimensionally the same as Kirkham and are they different material?

We use a CV jointed 1/2 shaft now.

original 1965 iron side oiler block
original 1965 forged steel 427 crank
Shelby heads (new Shelby heads). I really don't mind they are "new" heads in the slightest--Bill makes really nice stuff.
Top Loader transmission
Original reproduction suspension What is difference from Kirkham suspension in the 427SC?

WOW. Long answer. We still make all the original suspension parts. We supply them to customers all over the world. We also make a suspension that is pretty much carved from a block of aluminum. The block we start with for the front upright is over $300 (each side).

solid rotors--like original
Girling reproduction brake calipers (Kirkham billet, you can't tell the difference--they are SWEET pieces made from high heat resistant 2219 aluminum). What is difference from Kirkhams?

We still make the original rotors. We also make the original calipers, but carved out of a block of aluminum. They are sweet parts. On our "normal" rides we use Wilwood calipers and rotors. Shelby 50th's have our billet suspension with Wilwood calipers and rotors. We just started using even larger calipers last week!

original, in the box, voltage regulator
original, in the box, Lucas electrical everywhere
Smith's gauges
Original Lucas wiper motor!!! (Impossible to find)

Pricing on the new cars?

[Kirkhams] Start at $99,995 and go to the moon--literally. We can make just about anything you can dream up.

[I don't know what the CSX3000 pricing is].

David

[David Kirkham]

Originally Posted by rodneym

Woah. This is better than any of us could have imagined. I heard of Bill's 'accumulation' but I didn't know that it went that far.

David,
Any more info on your billet Girlings? I remember seeing pics a while ago but I can't remember details. Will they be for sale?

$5,000 for the set of 4. They are raced on all over the world. Lead time is a few weeks. We have made a bunch of them.

David

[NewYorkGuy]

thanks David

now we need Joe Conway to fill in details

[David Kirkham]

Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy

thanks David

now we need Joe Conway to fill in details

Joe is a great guy. We have a lot in common.

I'd love for him to pop in. No doubt he could fill in details (and correct anything I've messed up )

David

[fordracing65]

David, do you have any pics of the car you could share...

[David Kirkham]

Originally Posted by fordracing65

David, do you have any pics of the car you could share...

I was looking for them today and couldn't find them. I'll look around.

David

[REAL 1]

Very nice project. However I have issues and concerns. There are pros and cons.

Pros:
1. CSX3000 vin # from SAI
2. A lot of original NOS equipment and details that's hard to find today.
3. Original power from a real 1965 NASCAR 427SO.
4. Limited number.

Cons:
1. Not able to drive on the street. Closed course only as I understand. Also I would never drive this car on a closed course for multiple reasons.
2. Not a 1965 Chassis. Merely a continuation chassis stamped with a CSX3000 vin. The original "Completion" series cars were supposed to be the original unused 1965 chassis used to complete the homologation run of the original comp cars to 100 in number. It was established such chassis do not exist and CS got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. These are not true "completion cars" anyway you slice it. Putting original NOS parts on them and an original NASCAR 427SO does not change that.
3. These cars are really Continuation Chassis Shelby's completed to a very high level of original detail. What you are paying for is the hard to find NOS parts and the CSX3000 vin on a new chassis.
4. Very high buy in price. My bet will be at least $250,000.00 for the chassis with the CSX3000 stamping and another $100,000.00 to finish with original 427SO and NOS parts. This for a car you can't drive? Its a high priced statute.

Would I pay a lot of extra money for a CSX3000 vin on an original chassis? You bet. Would I pay a lot of extra money for a CSX3000 vin stamped on my chassis? No.

Finishing a Shelby Continuation series to near original specs is expensive and time consuming. Very true. Mine is finished to such a very high level of detail and has the bulk of what's on the list for the CSX3000 series so I know. But there are more details than what's on that list which I have and are not on the list.

That's my take.