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t walgamuth 05-08-2019 04:40 PM

its a 53 Caddy, you can tell by the two piece dagmars. The guy in white I am guessing is a mechanic by the red rag in his back pocket.

Blas 05-08-2019 04:49 PM

John Edgar died in 1972 I believe. The Edgar Family appear to have a website that I just posted a message to. If I get a reply I will post them the photo to see if they can shed any light on this.... Next we look for Jimmy Hoffa maybe?
Blas

t walgamuth 05-08-2019 06:09 PM

Sounds like fun!

Jac Mac 05-08-2019 07:20 PM

MKIV pix
 
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t walgamuth 05-08-2019 08:13 PM

I like the leather belt hood latches!

Jac Mac 05-08-2019 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth (Post 1461525)
I like the leather belt hood latches!

As the story goes, at least one of those belts was Carroll Shelbys Alligator belt, suitably trimmed for the purpose.

xb-60 05-09-2019 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by my427cobra (Post 1461498)
....We're seeing two cars in the corner behind the Caddy. See pic

http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/d..._in_corner.jpg

The tail of a white car which could be the back end of a type 60 Birdcage and a the front end of a red car (high pontoon fenders ) which could be a type 61, both of which Shelby raced....

Here's a Type 60 Birdcage....

http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/d...ge_Type_60.jpg

Looks different to me....but I haven't any better ideas :confused:


Cheers,
Glen

t walgamuth 05-09-2019 03:10 AM

the fender is almost as tall as the windscreen!

Chicagowil 05-09-2019 04:32 AM

I wonder if the white car is actually a Devin SS? The wheel opening is flat and the doors are square shaped.

Chicagowil 05-09-2019 04:40 AM

Actually, I correct myself. I believe it is an Elva 75. When I bought my 56 Jag, the neighbor across the street had an MG based Elva Courier. I had never even heard of one! He showed me a series of photos he had on Elvas and said the 75 competed against the Lotus Eleven.

http://www.clubcobra.com/forums/pict...=18329&thumb=1

Blas 05-09-2019 07:19 AM

I think the clue here is what appears to be the black line outlining the fender. Similar to the welting between the fender and the body on a VW bug. I’m not saying it’s a VW. Just that the fender is a separate panel from the body shell.
Blas

xb-60 05-09-2019 05:02 PM

Yes, and the distance from the rear edge of the door and the wheel arch opening is quite different on the Elva.

xb-60 05-09-2019 05:57 PM

Thought the white car might be an XKSS…

http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/d..._side-left.jpg

…close(-ish), but still no cigar :confused: ....

Anyway, wrong colour :D

Cheers,
Glen

xb-60 05-09-2019 06:42 PM

Found this earlier shot of CS, taken circa 1956....

http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/d...i-857_1956.jpg

The car is a Ferrari, an 857 (4 cylinder, 3.4 litre) I think, although it could be a 410 (12 cyl., 4.9 litre). Car was owned by John Edgar


Cheers,
Glen

Alfa02 05-09-2019 08:39 PM

Neat Glen, I saw that car (I believe with Carroll driving) in 1959 at Shelton Wa. The Logging Day Festival :) Believe it or not the Airport track (Shelton's pop. was less then 2000 at that time) had many, many famous American racer from the late 50s-to early 60's there. Hill, Gurney, Ginther, etc. See if I can find something online about those races. Cheers Tom.

Alfa02 05-09-2019 09:32 PM

Nope not in 1959, here's the race results. No Carroll. Also these races went by 'The Seafair Cup' we had big time hydo races here at the same time "Thunder Boats" back in the day. We have a great Thunder Boat Museum here in Seattle, lots of those boats were build right here. https://www.racingsportscars.com/res...959-08-02.html

xb-60 05-09-2019 11:29 PM

Hi Tom. My info said 1956, not 1959. He would have been driving for Aston Martin by '59

If that car is the 857 and not the 410, apparently John Edgar bought the car thinking his 857 was a new car, but found out soon after that under the new body it was somewhat race accident damaged/repaired from when Gendebien had been driving it. Enzo wouldn't have condoned that.....would he ;) ?

Cheers!
Glen

t walgamuth 05-10-2019 04:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xb-60 (Post 1461584)
Found this earlier shot of CS, taken circa 1956....

http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/d...i-857_1956.jpg

The car is a Ferrari, an 857 (4 cylinder, 3.4 litre) I think, although it could be a 410 (12 cyl., 4.9 litre). Car was owned by John Edgar


Cheers,
Glen

Looks like it is sporting a clear plastic chin spoiler. Or some other material.

As for what it is the hood scoop looks like what they would have had for a v12. The car behind is different, perhaps that is an inline six.

t walgamuth 05-10-2019 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xb-60 (Post 1461588)
Hi Tom. My info said 1956, not 1959. He would have been driving for Aston Martin by '59

If that car is the 857 and not the 410, apparently John Edgar bought the car thinking his 857 was a new car, but found out soon after that under the new body it was somewhat race accident damaged/repaired from when Gendebien had been driving it. Enzo wouldn't have condoned that.....would he ;) ?

Cheers!
Glen

hah hah! They did all sorts of stuff back then, changing serial numbers, updating older chassis and such. Enzo was very frugal.

Alfa02 05-10-2019 04:27 AM

A little history on those big bore 4cyl. Ferrari's. The same Uncle Dick that owned that Allard J2X, also owned in the early 60's car #0440 the very first 4cyl. half Monza, half Mondial. That car still lives & races in vintage events in the UK. If you look up the history on that #0440 car, it lived a very interesting life ;) Everything good with you Glen? My car WILL be finished at the end of the month, I'm down to counting the day's instead of week's & month's :) Cheers Tom.


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