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REAL 1 09-20-2015 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe's Garage (Post 1363355)
Maybe there is a lesson in that, share what you have (pics & info) privately through PMs and email, then the critics have nothing to work with. Don't get me wrong, I think most CC members are good peeps, it's the select few not in it for the hobby that are the problem, already have one blow hard chompin' at the bit to see my chaff chassis :LOL:
That's funny, I thought you were the blow hard. :LOL: I guess it depends on your definition of "blowhard". Kinda like it depends on you definition of what's "better" :p :LOL:

From one blow hard to another still waiting for those pics. Post up!!!:LOL:

REAL 1 09-20-2015 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jhv48 (Post 1363373)
I break owners down into these three categories:

1. The "Haves". They own original 60's era cobras. Nuff said!

2. The "Wannabes". They couldn't afford an original so they bought some kind of replica and try to pass it off as something it isn't and never will be. You are in this category if you are continually trying to convince others that yours is better than theirs for whatever reason.

3. The "Rest of Us". Who could give a rats ass who built your car or when it was made. We appreciate them all. But we REALLY appreciate an original.
See this is another shining example. That's your breakdown not mine. By your logic my 2012 Boss 302 LS is not a real Boss 302 since it wasn't made in the 60's. Oh, and my 2005 Ford GT is not a real Ford GT since it wasn't made in the 60's (please note the GT40 was always officially known as the Ford GT not its popularly known reference as the GT40).

Anyway, here's my breakdown.

1. The "Haves". Owners of original Shelby Cobras and Continuation Shelby Cobras.

2. Those that own copies of Shelby Cobras.

3. ...actually I don't have a #3.

Cheers,

;)

cycleguy55 09-20-2015 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by REAL 1 (Post 1363379)
Anyway, here's my breakdown.

1. The "Haves". Owners of original Shelby Cobras and Continuation Shelby Cobras.

2. Those that own copies of Shelby Cobras.

3. ...actually I don't have a #3.

Cheers,

;)
Your #2 (e.g. Wannabes) assumes those who don't own "original Shelby Cobras and/or Continuation Shelby Cobras" actually aspire to own one (or both).

As difficult as it may be to understand or accept, I'm sure there are many, perhaps the majority, who are plenty happy with their Superformance, Kirkham, ERA, BDR, etc. and who do not aspire to own a 'real Cobra' (your words, not mine).

A lid for every pot, I guess.

Al G 09-20-2015 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by cycleguy55 (Post 1363381)
Your #2 (e.g. Wannabes) assumes those who don't own "original Shelby Cobras and/or Continuation Shelby Cobras" actually aspire to own one (or both).

As difficult as it may be to understand or accept, I'm sure there are many, perhaps the majority, who are plenty happy with their Superformance, Kirkham, ERA, BDR, etc. and who do not aspire to own a 'real Cobra' (your words, not mine).

A lid for every pot, I guess.
How does Evan imply his #2s aspire to be #1s? You seem to be reaching for something he didn't say.

Joe's Garage 09-20-2015 04:46 PM
Evan is so far off the reservation does it really matter? Note he has equated the original 60's cobras to the continuations in #1. One could logically assume the man has lost his mind, all that remains are the musings of a babbling idiot.

REAL 1 09-20-2015 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Al G (Post 1363384)
How does Evan imply his #2s aspire to be #1s? You seem to be reaching for something he didn't say.
Precisely. Thanks. :)

REAL 1 09-20-2015 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by cycleguy55 (Post 1363381)
Your #2 (e.g. Wannabes) assumes those who don't own "original Shelby Cobras and/or Continuation Shelby Cobras" actually aspire to own one (or both).

As difficult as it may be to understand or accept, I'm sure there are many, perhaps the majority, who are plenty happy with their Superformance, Kirkham, ERA, BDR, etc. and who do not aspire to own a 'real Cobra' (your words, not mine).

A lid for every pot, I guess.
Not assuming a single thing nor did what I say in any way intimate what you say my #2 assumes. It was a simple and concise statement. Like always the majority of non-Shelby owners start "assuming" what I meant and reading into what I say.

The fact that you are just as happy owning a non Shelby and see you car how you see it is once again, another example of what I have been repeating here. "Better" depends on one's definition of "better" or "just as good" I guess.

REAL 1 09-20-2015 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe's Garage (Post 1363390)
Evan is so far off the reservation does it really matter? Note he has equated the original 60's cobras to the continuations in #1. One could logically assume the man has lost his mind, all that remains are the musings of a babbling idiot.
Again, another example of reading into what I said in #1 and attributing me with saying something I didn't say. But alas, not surprising from this site and especially from the virulent strain of nastiness responsible for this particular effort. :LOL:

I'll apply a little CC interpretive technic here as to his statements as he interprets mine....here goes.....So he assumes I lost my mind and all that will remain are his musings as a babbling idiot. ;)

DAVID GAGNARD 09-20-2015 06:14 PM
This whole thread and the fact I had a very bad experience way back in the early 80's with Street Beast Co. is the sole reason I don't own a Cobra of some sorts and never will!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I love em and wanted one since 1970 when there was a red 3000 series street car sitting under a pecan tree for a year with a "for sale" sign on the windshield ($3,500.00)(a few blocks from my house) but as a 15 year old kid that didn't have 2 nickels to rub together it could have been 3 million dollars.......

Instead, I did a ground up restoration on a 65 fastback and have driven it every chance I get since the early 90's and enjoy it more today than the first year I had it on the road.........

David

jhv48 09-20-2015 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by REAL 1 (Post 1363379)
See this is another shining example. By your logic my 2012 Boss 302 LS is not a real Boss 302 since it wasn't made in the 60's. Oh, and my 2005 Ford GT is not a real Ford GT since it wasn't made in the 60's (please note the GT40 was always officially known as the Ford GT not its popularly known reference as the GT40.
;)
Exactly my definition of a "WANNABE."

A "HAVE" would own originals of both of these cars.

cycleguy55 09-20-2015 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Al G (Post 1363384)
How does Evan imply his #2s aspire to be #1s? You seem to be reaching for something he didn't say.
#2 was titled 'Wannabes'. Wannabe what? See #1.

REAL 1 09-20-2015 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by cycleguy55 (Post 1363424)
#2 was titled 'Wannabes'. Wannabe what? See #1.
Wrong.

You need to read more carefully. You and many others here love to see what you want to see whether it's there or not. As usual, don't let the facts get in the way.

Night. ;)

Thor maine 09-20-2015 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by REAL 1 (Post 1363291)
Yes it seems that's the current name. The "AC" name and Company has gone through more changes and ownership then I have hair on my head. AC originally also used many subcontractors the form panels such as Radford. How much of the original AC equipment jigs and tooling is currently being used by the current iteration of "AC".? You tell me then we'll both know.

Just curious, are the new ACs real Cobras or just "replica" chaff? Please enlighten me.

Maybe after "Mikeinatlanta" cleans up his key board he can chime is on this little question.
Yes AC Cars LTD has changed owners, yes AC Cars LTD has not been in operation continuously since the 1960's, yes AC Cars LTD is not in the same location and probably uses no tooling from the 1960's, Yes AC Cars Ltd probably does not have a single person who worked for them in the 1960's working for them today, all true. But all that was just said can be said exactly the same about Shelby American, they started making replica's using a continuation of the CSX---- serial numbers, AC Cars LTD started making replica's with the COB---- and COX---- serial numbers. All of this should or will be in your precious Shelby bible. So are the current AC's like your name "Real-ONES" , are they the wheat or the chaff??? And since they are the real deal how does it sit with you , or how do you deal with Real AC's (COB- COX) coming from the factory (something Shelby American cannot do) with a GM LS engine??? And That AC Cars LTD in the 1960's sold from the factory at least two cars with GM engines???? How does that turn your Blue Oval only in a Cobra cream of wheat???

mikeinatlanta 09-21-2015 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by REAL 1 (Post 1363434)
You and many others here love to see what you want to see whether it's there or not. As usual, don't let the facts get in the way.
Damn,
Coffee on the keyboard. Twice in one thread no less. :LOL:

REAL 1 09-21-2015 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Thor maine (Post 1363437)
Yes AC Cars LTD has changed owners, yes AC Cars LTD has not been in operation continuously since the 1960's, yes AC Cars LTD is not in the same location and probably uses no tooling from the 1960's, Yes AC Cars Ltd probably does not have a single person who worked for them in the 1960's working for them today, all true. But all that was just said can be said exactly the same about Shelby American, they started making replica's using a continuation of the CSX---- serial numbers, AC Cars LTD started making replica's with the COB---- and COX---- serial numbers. All of this should or will be in your precious Shelby bible. So are the current AC's like your name "Real-ONES" , are they the wheat or the chaff??? And since they are the real deal how does it sit with you , or how do you deal with Real AC's (COB- COX) coming from the factory (something Shelby American cannot do) with a GM LS engine??? And That AC Cars LTD in the 1960's sold from the factory at least two cars with GM engines???? How does that turn your Blue Oval only in a Cobra cream of wheat???
Soooo...does that make them real ACs?
Soooo...does that make them real Cobras?

You tell me.

REAL 1 09-21-2015 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Joe's Garage (Post 1363390)
Evan is so far off the reservation does it really matter? Note he has equated the original 60's cobras to the continuations in #1. One could logically assume the man has lost his mind, all that remains are the musings of a babbling idiot.
Actually, you are right about one thing. I did equate them. Both are Shelby Cobras.

Are you babbling yet? ;)

REAL 1 09-21-2015 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by mikeinatlanta (Post 1363513)
Damn,
Coffee on the keyboard. Twice in one thread no less. :LOL:
There may be medication for that.:cool:

Thor maine 09-21-2015 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by REAL 1 (Post 1363523)
Soooo...does that make them real ACs?
Soooo...does that make them real Cobras?

You tell me.
Soooo.....does that make yours a real Shelby???

Soooo.....does that make yours a real Cobra???

Tim7139 09-21-2015 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by REAL 1 (Post 1363523)
Soooo...does that make them real ACs?
Soooo...does that make them real Cobras?

You tell me.
Quite possibly. Your's still not so much......sorry.
FWIW, you have clearly woven a rather stretched series of assumtions. It is somewhat the collector car equivilent of the old adage "If we had some eggs, we could have some ham and eggs......if we had some ham".
Quite entertaining, however.

Joe's Garage 09-21-2015 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by REAL 1 (Post 1363524)
Actually, you are right about one thing. I did equate them. Both are Shelby Cobras ...
Fortunately the honorable Judge Walsh says otherwise, this trumps your BS and there is not a damn thing you can do about it :LOL:

"It is one thing to recognize the legendary status of
Mr. Shelby and the original Cobras, including the 427 S/C,
and quite another to assert that purchasers and potential
purchasers view Cobra continuations or replicas, sold
primarily as kits, which employ the Cobra 427 S/C Design as
coming from a single source. The fact that Cobra replicas,
sold primarily as kits, which employ the 427 S/C Design,
have been sold by numerous third parties for more than
three decades, including between 2002 and 2009, precludes
us from drawing that conclusion. Accordingly, we find
applicant’s evidence based on media coverage of Mr. Shelby
and all of the Cobras not probative of the issue of
acquired distinctiveness."


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