Why does every thread here devolve into a "Real" vs. "Replica" argument?

[Dangerous Doug]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

An original manufacturer doesn't replicate his own work.

Interesting point: An artist has one original work, and then may release imprints or prints (1/500, 1/25...).

The original "art" in this case, is the original Cobras from the 60's. The imprints are the continuation Cobras. Replicas are copies of the original work for the pure enjoyment of the original artwork---unless someone is trying to pass off the copy as an original piece of art. This holds true for imprints, as well.

Someone who views a painting and is told it's "the real thing" but then finds they are "merely" viewing an imprint or a copy would be sorely disappointed.

Worth pondering.
DD

[Dangerous Doug]

Uh, who is Ronald McQueen?

[jhv48]

Originally Posted by Dangerous Doug

Uh, who is Ronald McQueen?

Bassist of Steel Pulse.

[Dangerous Doug]

Originally Posted by jhv48

Bassist of Steel Pulse.

What does Ronald McQueen have to do with Steve McQueen?

[jhv48]

Originally Posted by Dangerous Doug

What does Ronald McQueen have to do with Steve McQueen?

They might have meant Chad McQueen.

[Dangerous Doug]

Nope. They meant Ronald McQueen---of Pennsylvania... Not of Steel Pulse fame, I'm sure.

Here's the post from "themustangnews.com" (note the date):

February 5, 2013 - CARS, EVENTS - Tagged: Carroll Shelby Foundation, Continuation, Prize Alert, Shelby Cobra

While he isn’t related to actor Steve McQueen his name makes a book end in the story of the 2012 Win-A-Shelby raffle which gave away a Shelby Cobra Roadster. Ronald McQueen of Pennsylvania has been announced the winner of the 50th anniversary Shelby Cobra continuation car of the 2012. raffle.

Hosted by the Carroll Shelby Foundation, the 2012 Win-A-Shelby raffle offered enthusiasts a shot at a small block, limited edition Cobra. Proceeds from the ticket sales benefit the Carroll Shelby Foundation, which was established by automotive icon and racing legend Carroll Shelby to provide financial support for children battling life-threatening illnesses and to promote continuing education.

“The 50th anniversary Cobra is a symbol of the last five decades of Shelby American’s incredible achievements,” said Jenni Shreeves, executive director of the Carroll Shelby Foundation. “Carroll was adamant that these Shelby Cobras be built with the same exceptional quality as the ones he created in the ‘60s. He was also excited that this raffle would give one lucky winner the opportunity to not just drive it, but own it. Now Ronald McQueen will live that dream by contributing to our efforts to help kids live a healthy, happy life with a bright future.”

Steve McQueen, who was best known for driving a Ford Mustang during the action-packed car chase scene in Bullit, was a fan of the Shelby Cobra. He visited Carroll Shelby at his Venice, Calif. facility throughout the 1960s, though legend has it that studio contracts prohibited him from owning one of the fast roadsters.

That did not keep him from sampling the Cobra as Shelby lent him the CSX2174 to cruise around Southern California. Ronald McQueen, however, will have the pleasure of owning the Shelby Cobra that Steve McQueen could never buy.

“The Shelby Cobra is one of the more sought after American collectible cars,” added McQueen. “I have friends who own Shelby vehicles and just hearing the roar of the raw power these Cobra engines generate is so exhilarating. Now, I too finally own a piece of Shelby’s automotive history.”

As part of Shelby American’s golden anniversary in 2012, the Carroll Shelby Foundation celebrated the tremendous milestone by offering the limited edition cars. Painted “Shelby black” and filled with a premium wine colored leather interior and special badges, only 50 of the limited-edition anniversary Cobras are being built. The new owner’s small-block Cobra will be documented in the official Shelby registry.

[Dangerous Doug]

The link: McQueen wins Continuation Shelby Cobra - TheMustangNewsTheMustangNews

[mejereb]

Hello DD
My name is mike I just got my first cobra delivery is in two
weeks Iam concerned about registration in ca
is the sb100 the best route or do you know any secrets

[jhv48]

Hey "Double D", sb100 is the only way to register your replica "legally" in Ca.

Lots of threads on the FFR forum that can walk you through the process.

[tortuga]

"is it real?"
"Nope, its not even here, neither am i actually"
"you're an asshole"
"yes, but i am not the one talking to an imaginary person about an imaginary car"

Wish i had the balls...

[REAL 1]

Keep trying.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Keep trying.

Ditto.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Ditto.

You haven't grasped this yet. I don't need to try to "establish" or prove anything The facts, law and the Registry do that for me.

You guys are spinning so much to trying prove your ridiculous points you make Whirling Dervishes look like they are standing still.

Carry on.

P.S. the only reason I respond to you is that you at least have the decency not to personally attack like a juvenile child. Kudos to you for that at least. The others, I don't even read their posts any longer. Waste of time.

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

... The facts, law and the Registry do that for me ...

The Facts: All 50 states require special provisions for DMV registration. All 50 states classify them as specialty constructed vehicles/component cars/kit cars/replicas.

The Law: Trade Dress ruling per Judge Walsh, the Shelby continuations hold no distinction over the other replicas. Mr. Shelby identified the replicas of the Cobra 427 S/C with the designation CSX 4000.

The Registry: Continuations are very cobra like and true replicas.

The Facts, The Law, The Registry.

Bada Bing, Bada Boom, Done!

[jhv48]

Wanna bet?

[fordracing65]

[quote=Joe's Garage;1366796]The Facts: All 50 states require special provisions for DMV registration. All 50 states classify them as specialty constructed vehicles/component cars/kit cars/replicas.

The Law: Trade Dress ruling per Judge Walsh, the Shelby continuations hold no distinction over the other replicas. Mr. Shelby identified the replicas of the Cobra 427 S/C with the designation CSX 4000.

The Registry: Continuations are very cobra like and true replicas.

The Facts, The Law, The Registry.

Bada Bing, Bada Boom, Done![/QUO

If you have a replica CSX what does your title actually say, does it say 1965 or 66 Shelby cobra, I would love to see... The 2 cars that were both CSX cars in AZ for sale, neither had that on the title, SHEBY or FORD, nor did it have the year 1965-66

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

The Facts: All 50 states require special provisions for DMV registration. All 50 states classify them as specialty constructed vehicles/component cars/kit cars/replicas.



Bada Bing, Bada Boom, Done!

Wrong. My Cobra was registered as a 1965 Shelby Cobra. Would you like to see a copy of the title?

Subtract bada bing.

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

The Facts: All 50 states require special provisions for DMV registration. All 50 states classify them as specialty constructed vehicles/component cars/kit cars/replicas.

The Law: Trade Dress ruling per Judge Walsh, the Shelby continuations hold no distinction over the other replicas. Mr. Shelby identified the replicas of the Cobra 427 S/C with the designation CSX 4000.

The Registry: Continuations are very cobra like and true replicas.

The Facts, The Law, The Registry.

Bada Bing, Bada Boom, Done!

Move along folks, there's nothing more to see here.

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

The Facts: All 50 states require special provisions for DMV registration. All 50 states classify them as specialty constructed vehicles/component cars/kit cars/replicas.

The Law: Trade Dress ruling per Judge Walsh, the Shelby continuations hold no distinction over the other replicas. Mr. Shelby identified the replicas of the Cobra 427 S/C with the designation CSX 4000.

The Registry: Continuations are very cobra like and true replicas.

The Facts, The Law, The Registry.

Bada Bing, Bada Boom, Done!

Move along folks, there's nothing to see here anymore.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

You haven't grasped this yet. I don't need to try to "establish" or prove anything The facts, law and the Registry do that for me.

You guys are spinning so much to trying prove your ridiculous points you make Whirling Dervishes look like they are standing still.

Carry on.

P.S. the only reason I respond to you is that you at least have the decency not to personally attack like a juvenile child. Kudos to you for that at least. The others, I don't even read their posts any longer. Waste of time.

Absolutely I don't want to personally attack anyone. That's not me and not my area of expertise.

And the law is not my area of expertise, so I don't cite or interpret decisions, suits, claims, redress, what judges said or meant, etc. I'm not a lawyer. But as I've said a 100 times, and many have already concluded, the modern Shelby Cobra is replica. And replicas can't be genuine, real or authentic. Additionally, I'll rest my hat, as it were, on the references to the car as a replica in the Registry plus Ned Scudder, one of the leading historians of the marque stating its a replica.

The facts, the Registry, Ned, and most of all, logic.