Why does every thread here devolve into a "Real" vs. "Replica" argument?

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Unfortunately for you and the rest of the sour grapes gang

What makes you think RK or myself have any sour grapes??
Why so combative...

Both RK and myself are happy for you and your cobra...

We both seemingly would just answer the question dare I say honestly

Originally Posted by jhv48

I would say they saw a good replica, but not the original.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Yes, yes. So you say. Yes. Sure. If it makes you happy. Maybe if you close our eyes, say it three times and click your heels like Dorothy maybe the simple facts, law and Registry will just disappear and you'll be in Kansas again.

Unfortunately for you and the rest of the sour grapes gang the facts, law and the World Registry say the opposite.

Sorry, but carry on.

Still doesn't change the fact that unless you own one of 998, you don't have a genuine Shelby Cobra. If it makes you feel better, you can call it a "genuine replica." It's an oxymoron, but for you, it's fine.

Facts, fraud, Registry, logic and Ned The Curator.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Still doesn't change the fact that unless you own one of 998, you don't have a genuine Shelby Cobra. If it makes you feel better, you can call it a "genuine replica." It's an oxymoron, but for you, it's fine.

Facts, fraud, Registry, logic and Ned The Curator.

Your posts do have a comical value. I just laughed and spit up coffee through my nose. omg. Your special.

I know your know trying to copy my line but you have to get it right. That means you need to read, comprehend, not leave out what you want and get it right. Go slow "Facts...., law,.... Registry"

[Joe's Garage]

A good turn out of crybabies today, most of them dinghy owners lol. It must be a biatch having someone point a gun to your head and make you read this thread

[fordracing65]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

A good turn out of crybabies today, most of them dinghy owners lol. It must be a biatch having someone point a gun to your head and make you read this thread

I just got a new 9mm, a real1...

[4pipes]

I'm a Giants fan, duck the Fodgers.

[Joe's Garage]

Turn the crank, the monkey dances.

[Joe's Garage]

If you want a Shelby glass replica with a stiffer frame, order an SPF.

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

If you want a Shelby glass replica with a stiffer frame, order an SPF.

It's comments like this, that give Evan and co the right to claim "sour grapes".

Maybe they don't want an SPF chassis?
Maybe they want to replicate the experience of driving an original style chassis.

Its each persons individual call as to what they desire...
If that's the case the csx is the better replica... No?

But for me that there is the point.
They're all copies of the real thing, just to different degrees.
While some stop at the chassis, others the engine or shape, others the badges.
The continuation series cars stop at history and the year of manufacturing and some even at the composition of the body.

[fordracing65]

[quote=Dimis;1367408]It's comments like this, that give Evan and co the right to claim "sour grapes".

Maybe they don't want an SPF chassis?
Maybe they want to replicate the experience of driving an original style chassis.

Its each persons individual call as to what they desire...
If that's the case the csx is the better replica... No?

But for me that there is the point.
They're all copies of the real thing, just to different degrees.
While some stop at the chassis, others the engine or shape, others the badges.
The continuation series cars stop at history and the year of manufacturing. [/QUOTE


Yes, are cars are all copies therefore they cannot be real or genuine, they mean the same thing...replica does not mean real or genuine...

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Dimis

They're all copies of the real thing, just to different degrees. While some stop at the chassis, others the engine or shape, others the badges. The continuation series cars stop at history and the year of manufacturing.

Putting aside that fact that a Shelby fiberglass replica body is not aluminum and is further away from the 998, I'll add that the Kirkham/CSX aluminum bodies have thicker aluminum, the steel used in chassis is different, the brakes and suspension aren't OEM, no orignal Halibrand magnesium wheels, exhaust, interior materials, etc. are all facsimiles, engines and transmissions but for a very select few aren't properly date coded, etc. Kirkham builds them, not AC or Shelby (who cares about the subcontractor parallels), maybe some OEM wiring and switches might be used, so what. In reality none of us own anything even that close to the 998.

So it more than just the gap of 30-50 years, it's that the materials aren't OEM/NOS or even real close reproductions in nearly all cases.

[Dangerous Doug]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Putting aside that fact that a Shelby fiberglass replica body is not aluminum and is further away from the 998, I'll add that the Kirkham/CSX aluminum bodies have thicker aluminum, the steel used in chassis is different, the brakes and suspension aren't OEM, no orignal Halibrand magnesium wheels, exhaust, interior materials, etc. are all facsimiles, engines and transmissions but for a very select few aren't properly date coded, etc. Kirkham builds them, not AC or Shelby (who cares about the subcontractor parallels), maybe some OEM wiring and switches might be used, so what. In reality none of us own anything even that close to the 998.

So it more than just the gap of 30-50 years, it's that the materials aren't OEM/NOS or even real close reproductions in nearly all cases.

Salient point. The materials are not even the same in an absolute sense. So, there are material core differences between the "real" and replica/continuation Cobras.

That being said, I am mighty proud of my ERA 289 FIA Cobra. I would be equally proud of a Kirkham, or a Shelby continuation. If I had a Shelby continuation I would think it was pretty damn cool to have a small part of the Shelby legacy---and I would have paid dearly for it. The cat's meow, though, would be to own a Vintage Cobra from the Cobra's 60's heyday.

People look at vintage cars of any make differently than other cars. Perhaps it's because they are looking at a survivor of time, or perhaps it's the history that the vintage car represents. Either way, there is something extraordinary about "vintage".

So, call your continuation Cobra's real if you want---just don't misrepresent them as vintage.
DD

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by Dimis

It's comments like this, that give Evan and co the right to claim "sour grapes".

Maybe they don't want an SPF chassis?
Maybe they want to replicate the experience of driving an original style chassis.

Its each persons individual call as to what they desire...
If that's the case the csx is the better replica... No?

But for me that there is the point.
They're all copies of the real thing, just to different degrees.
While some stop at the chassis, others the engine or shape, others the badges.
The continuation series cars stop at history and the year of manufacturing and some even at the composition of the body.

Clearly that post went right over your head, you missed the point completly.

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

Clearly that post went right over your head, you missed the point completly.

How so?

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Dimis

It's comments like this, that give Evan and co the right to claim "sour grapes".

Maybe they don't want an SPF chassis?
Maybe they want to replicate the experience of driving an original style chassis.

Its each persons individual call as to what they desire...
If that's the case the csx is the better replica... No?

But for me that there is the point.
They're all copies of the real thing, just to different degrees.
While some stop at the chassis, others the engine or shape, others the badges.
The continuation series cars stop at history and the year of manufacturing and some even at the composition of the body.

I appreciate your comments. You are entitled to your opinion and you analysis. I respect that. I won't try and convince you otherwise except to say you should read the Registry. If you disagree with the Registry then fine. Free country here and I suppose down there too.

However, I think you are clearly erroneous based on the facts, law and as made clear and explained by the Registry. Its all in the Registry and made crystal clear. Misuse of terms like "replica" are explained. You and others continue to "misuse" those terms but if that's what a "replica" means to you great. But again you are free to carry on as you wish, think what you think and believe what you want being wrong the entire time. Not all who disagree with me are suffering from sour grapes. But it's clear by the tone and tenor many are.

Have a great day.

[Ron61]

I love this thread. Since it begin I haven't had to read the comics for my daily laughs. Carry on the good work guys.

Ron

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Misuse of terms like "replica" are explained. You and others continue to "misuse" those terms but if that's what a "replica" means to you great.

So, then, you misused the term replica? You did admit/call your car a replica. Are you misusing the term too? Is Ned misusing the term? Is the 2008 Registry misusing the term, when it states that CS didn't like the term replica, because he felt it devalued his cars, so he came up with a new term "Component." And then the 2008 Registry also states that modern CSX Cobras are "true replicas" and "Cobra-like."

When the 2018-ish Registry is released, when all replicas are deleted, will you still cite a source that no longer exists such as you did with the SAAC website language?

Facts, logic, Registry (both old and future editions), Ned The Curator, The "I'm not very good with website links" and The Deleted Passage on the SAAC Website (which Evan somehow still has in his possession).

[jhv48]

1,2,3,4,5,6,7, he's down for the count, but not out!

Like that inflated clown with sand in his base, he'll come back up for more pummeling! That poor clown always thinks he can win.

[Joe's Garage]

Who has a Carroll Shelby autographed glove box door? That is BIG for replica accuracy, personal endorsement by Carroll himself!

[NewYorkGuy]

How does the Kirkham family answer "is it a real" Cobra question?
What about Cashburn & Mark IV, do they steer their customers away from the "is it real" question?