Why does every thread here devolve into a "Real" vs. "Replica" argument?

[RodKnock]

Registry doesn't discuss the "manufacturing license." Thus unimportant to Cobra history.

Shelby sold 75% of his company and then a few years later went public. Different ownership.

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by Jamo

Now that a fair number of you have beat each other up...everyone STFU for awhile.

...or folks will simply start disappearing with no notice.

RK - good to have you back... I thought something bad happened
Sorry, just finished watching the Godfather series...

Originally Posted by REAL 1

No, actually that's not being honest. You as others want to apply the general definition of "kit car" that applies to an entire range of cars such as Gazelles, Meyer Manx Dune buggies, Beck Spyders etc...The general definition of Kit Car applies to all those cars whose manufacturer does not complete the manufacture of the car, sells the uncompleted car to and leaves the completion to a third party.

So, seeming we can use the dictionary definition when it suits you, but not when it doesn't?

Which do you want to use? Pick ONE and be consistent please. Then the "merry go round from hell" as you put it will stop

Have you read Shakespear's "A Man for All Seasons"?

Originally Posted by REAL 1

This process exists primarily because of Federal safety and emission regulations and standards that creeped up on the motoring public in the late 60's. Even Carroll Shelby was noted to have remarked he could not continue production as he did and could not continue to build what he wanted to build as a result of growing restrictive Federal Regulations. .

I agree on this point, but sorry totally irrelevant...

Originally Posted by REAL 1

If you apply the generic "Kit Car" definition as used by dictionaries and generally by various states DMV for registration purposes [i]in fact, and I hate to break it to the gang here but the original Cobra today would be a "Kit Car" applying the dictionary or DMV definitions. It would follow the same and have to follow the same process as a Superformance for example in order for SAI to continue

Yes! So What? If your auntie had balls she'd be your uncle.
History SAYS this never happened... Correct?
Perhaps, maybe, would've, could've, should've, but DIDN'T! True?

Originally Posted by REAL 1

So by todays standards the original 2000 and 3000 series cars would have to be "Kit Cars" in order to continue to be produced and sold. Irrefutable.

Again Yes! So What? It never happened!
They were delivered with engines by the factory. COMPLETE!
NOT in parts, and NOT missing pieces for whatever reason. True?

Originally Posted by REAL 1

I and the vast majority of other Shelby Cobra owners apply and go by the SAAC definitions of "Kit Car and Replica" since this definition applies specifically and germanely to this hobby and these cars and style cars. It is the definition that applies to our world of Cobras. Not a generic definition that applies to everything from Gazelles to Dune Buggies for registration purposes and as noted to original series cars today if SAI was still popping them out uninterrupted. Shelby Cobras original series or Continuation series do NOT fall in the SAAC definition of "Kit Car or Replica". I know you are all disappointed.

No VESTED INTEREST there hey?
You continue to protest bias against SHELBY Continuation cars, but dear sir, you realise there are two sides to this coin... and I for one don't see it any bias to the cars themselves, quite the opposite, the cars are revered - In my humble experience, just raised eyebrows to those who aren't honest about what they have.
Seemingly some CSX continuation guys have a larger problem with this than most, but the same disdain is placed upon Kirkham or SPF or FF5 guys trying to pass theirs off as something other than...

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Joe Blow generally uses the term "kit and replica" to ask is that a fake.

Earlier in this thread - You were quite hostile in your description to point out that you couldn't give a chit, nor cared, nor presumed, what the inquirer was supposing, when they asked the question. Now you ARE supposing correct?
...and perhaps supposing INCORRECTLY, what they "mean"?

Originally Posted by REAL 1

When asked if my car is a "replica or a kit" I say "no, its a genuine Shelby Cobra. A continuation series Cobra." Its not a fake Shelby Cobra nor is it a replica of a Shelby Cobra. It is a Shelby Cobra. If asked if its an "original car/Cobra", I say no. I tell them its a Continuation Series Shelby Cobra. My answers are based on the World Registry not DMV. Very simple, honest, direct and easy actually.

See if you answered like that to a COBRA guy... they would know what you mean (even if they didn't agree).
BUT If you answer like that to John Citizen and his wife and kids, in the presence of a COBRA guy, that cobra guy would KNOW you're misleading them!
...and therefore conclude - you were telling a half truth and therefore being DISHONEST. Apologies to break it to you!

Originally Posted by REAL 1

I'm sure you guys will "keep "twisting" things in order to jam a square peg into a round hole.

Have at it. I've got my Registry right here on my desk.

Hello pot, my name is kettle.

Kind regards,

[xb-60]

Sheesh! I think you've got up Mr. Dimis' nose on this one, and I agree with his reason for irritation. I'm reasonably certain this in not the way Dangerous Doug intended this thread to go.
Are you guys going for a record number of posts in one thread....or what?

That's my one and only comment.

Goodbye.
Glen

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Dimis

RK - good to have you back... I thought something bad happened
Sorry, just finished watching the Godfather series...

No, I didn't "disappear." Just a busy weekend. but thanks for asking.

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

... Only difference between original Shelby and current production is years of manufacture ...

Totally false ...

Improvements include a stronger steel frame and better alloys used in the components, plus better cooling and additional heat shielding to make these cars safer and more drivable without losing any of their original character.
Shelby Cobra 427 S/C Continuation Series

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

... it is clear that the current production Cobras, like all the replicas, are an improved copy of the originals. Note that the Continuations are offered in fiberglass and carbon fiber bodies ...

Originally Posted by REAL 1

... You can argue minutia all day long. Fiberglass not aluminum in some cases that makes not a wit of difference in the final analysis of what the car is. Carroll Shelby originally wanted to do fiberglass for the original series in fact ...

Yes Evan, Carroll Shelby also wanted Chevy power for the original series.

Therefore, a Shelby Component Cobra fitted with Chevy power "makes not a wit of difference in the final analysis of what the car is".

... and I would agree, that is the nature of replicas/component cars/kit cars.

[Joe's Garage]

cred·i·bil·i·ty
noun
The quality of being trusted and believed in.
Synonyms: trustworthiness, reliability, dependability, integrity; reputation, status, authority.

Credible sources are ones the reader can trust. When writing a research paper, doing research, or reading for background information, writers should ALWAYS use a credible source.

Ned: Curator of the SAAC World Registry, expert of the Original 60's Shelby Cobra.
Evan: Cobra enthusiast, once mistakenly listed a Shelby Component Cobra as an Original. (No Evan, the badges and plaque don't make it original)

Go with Ned?
Go with Evan?

No need to answer, it's a rhetorical question.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

cred·i·bil·i·ty
noun
The quality of being trusted and believed in.
Synonyms: trustworthiness, reliability, dependability, integrity; reputation, status, authority.

Credible sources are ones the reader can trust. When writing a research paper, doing research, or reading for background information, writers should ALWAYS use a credible source.

Ned: Curator of the SAAC World Registry, expert of the Original 60's Shelby Cobra.
Evan: Cobra enthusiast, once mistakenly listed a Shelby Component Cobra as an Original. (No Evan, the badges and plaque don't make it original)

Go with Ned?
Go with Evan?

No need to answer, it's a rhetorical question.

How about just go with the World Registry. It's very clear in it's statements.

I'm good with that.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

How about just go with the World Registry. It's very clear in it's statements.

I'm good with that.

You mean the Registry where "certain liberties were taken" and also refers to your CSX4000 as "Cobra-like" and a "true replica."

Can't wait for the 50th () Edition of the World Registry, since the present-day SAAC Website shows the direction of where the Registry is headed.

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

How about just go with the World Registry. It's very clear in it's statements.

I'm good with that.

Yes, but your conclusions are at odds with the co-author of said publication and he has indeed quoted from that same reference to highlight your incorrect interpretation of those facts.

Can you actually NOT see this, or are you choosing to NOT to see this?

You never did say if you've read Shakespear's "A Man for All Seasons..."


Take care and best wishes.

[Nedsel]

It was Evan who used the term "futile." That is what it is like to attempt to reason with a potato. There's no point.

Dream on, Evan.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Nedsel

It was Evan who used the term "futile." That is what it is like to attempt to reason with a potato. There's no point.

Dream on, Evan.

Hey, I don't have to dream. Its right in the Registry. Maybe you need to dream about a new Registry saying something you want it to say.

As far as being unable to reason with potatoes,...Yeah, exactly that why I gave up on Rodknock.

It's also futile to reason with an obfuscator and "curator" with an axe to grind based on a bias against something. My axe is grinding in of the Registry statements published by your club.

And if you think I'm a potato you need to start "educating" all your buddies at SAAC on the Registry committee since based on the statements all through your clubs Registry acknowledging the current production Shelbys as authentic Cobras and not "replicas or Kits" and their Web Site statements doing the same since 2004 and now seems like you've got a lot of potatoes running around on that Registry committee.

Dream of a new Registry.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Hey, I don't have to dream. Its right in the Registry.

You mean it's all there in the Registry, which uses terms like "Cobra-like" and "true replica"? That Registry?

Originally Posted by REAL 1

As far as being unable to reason with potatoes,...Yeah, exactly that why I gave up on Rodknock.

You know what they say, you are what you eat. And since I don't eat potatoes, then I can't be one.

You gave up on me? I'll "wear it" as a badge of honor.

Originally Posted by REAL 1

And if you think I'm the potato you need to start "educating" all your buddies at SAAC on the Registry committee since based on the statements all through your clubs Registry acknowledging the current production Shelbys as authentic Cobras and their Web Site statements doing the same since 2004 then and now you've got a lot of potatoes running around on that Registry committee.

Dream of a new Registry.

Coming to Amazon.com around 2018. The 5th Edition of Registry will remove all replicas. Yea!

Oh, and does the current SAAC website state any words like "authentic", "real" or "genuine" as it relates to the Shelby replicas? Nope. Not there anymore. And the Registry is quite clear about those words "Cobra-like" and "true replica."

Different company, different parts, different era. Shall we "call a spade a spade?"

[NewYorkGuy]

Off topic but do vintage racing events at Goodwood or Monterey allow CSX 4000s or kirkham cobras to compete?

[ERANJ]

I find it amazing how Evan's facts and statements are twisted in an attempt to get under his skin. Definately a case of sour grapes looking at this from an outside perspective. Sorry guys when all is said and done looks like he won his case IMHO.

[JBCOBRA]

Originally Posted by ERANJ

I find it amazing how Evan's facts and statements are twisted in an attempt to get under his skin. Definately a case of sour grapes looking at this from an outside perspective. Sorry guys when all is said and done looks like he won his case IMHO.

Is this Evan?

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by ERANJ

I find it amazing how Evan's facts and statements are twisted in an attempt to get under his skin. Definately a case of sour grapes looking at this from an outside perspective. Sorry guys when all is said and done looks like he won his case IMHO.

Must Evan's money partner. His wife.

Seriously, can you please specify which of Evan's facts and statements are being twisted?

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Must Evan's money partner. His wife.

Seriously, can you please specify which of Evan's facts and statements are being twisted?

Oh, since you asked a question I'll answer it. All.

[JBCOBRA]

Real has a Serious case of Masochism

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Nedsel

It was Evan who used the term "futile." That is what it is like to attempt to reason with a potato. There's no point.

It’s interesting that you picked a potato for your food comparison to Evan. That’s perfect. Potatoes are a starchy food to be avoided due since it's all about high-glycemic carbohydrates. High glycemic carbohydrates are those that raise blood sugar too rapidly.

Like Evan. Of course, I'm just kidding around.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

In fact some aluminum Continuation values are not far off from your "COB's".

So, here's CSX4334, which is/was advertised on CobraCountry as an aluminum bodied car.





Sold for $150,000 or best offer.

Maybe the "fit out" adds another $90,000 or something?

I didn't think COB's were selling for $150,000. What are COB's selling for these days?