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Old 10-25-2007, 10:34 PM
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You can get them in glass or aluminum, just like 4000 cars. They are VERY beautiful cars. I don't believe they are uncommon in CSX form, they are just uncommon because it's a different car. Most people like the 427 car. The FIA is a hot little car, but it's also smaller, with less interior room, so that's something to keep in mind. Also, some people don't care for the front facing roll bar, small 17 gallon fuel tank, etc, etc. The FIA is an acquired taste.
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Sal,

A 7000 has more room than a 4000, no carpet to eat up space.
As far as looks, I think it is the best looking cobra. As far as quality, the fiberglass cars are made at Shelby and that is much better than anything produced in poland.

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A 7000 has more room than a 4000, no carpet to eat up space.
As far as looks, I think it is the best looking cobra. As far as quality, the fiberglass cars are made at Shelby and that is much better than anything produced in poland.

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Well, the FIAs I've seen sure seemed smaller, especially in the room for your hand between the steering wheel and door. Of course, you'd know better than anyone, having owned both . Is your 7000 a glass or alloy car?
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Glass, I never liked the way the aluminum fenders looked. But that is me. The wheel to door is not a problem, but every car is different.

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A 7000 has more room than a 4000, no carpet to eat up space.
As far as looks, I think it is the best looking cobra. As far as quality, the fiberglass cars are made at Shelby and that is much better than anything produced in Poland.

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With all the problems I have seen discussed with Shelby products in general here on the forum over the last 4 or 5 years, I think you last statement about the Kirkhams is so ridiculous that I just laugh and move on to the next thread!
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I've always loved the 289 and the variety of the cars produced.

This is a beautiful CSX7000 glass car that was extensively modified by Billy Andrews to be a 'modern day' version of the Dragon Snake.

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A 7000 has more room than a 4000, no carpet to eat up space.

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The fiberglass FIA's due to the Daytona coupe style trellis frame modification have a larger transmission tunnel.
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A 7000 has more room than a 4000, no carpet to eat up space.
As far as looks, I think it is the best looking cobra. As far as quality, the fiberglass cars are made at Shelby and that is much better than anything produced in poland.

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I don't thik I have ever insulted anyone on a forum before but I found your statement ludicrous. I own neither of the cars mentioned but the consensus is that Kirkham is the best quality for alum and ERA for glass over anything that Shelby has built with the continuation cars. Period. The only advantage I see is that there are people always willing to pay for the Shelby name whether buying new or used. Plus you can have your name in the SAAC regristry with the Polish bros but not with ERA.

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I own neither of the cars mentioned.

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BDR, you don't need to say anymore.
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BDR, you don't need to say anymore.

Aren't we being a little elitist ? To comment on the quality of a paticular car you have to own it? I bought mine on a whim without the prerequisite research and therefore I am not qualified to comment on what I hear from CACC members? Sounds like your protestations are self-serving.
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Aren't we being a little elitist ? To comment on the quality of a paticular car you have to own it? I bought mine on a whim without the prerequisite research and therefore I am not qualified to comment on what I hear from CACC members? Sounds like your protestations are self-serving.
I don't think Allan's comment was any more elitist then your comment he was responding to was.
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I think Alan's comments on the bodies refers to the amount of work required to bring an "as delivered" body up to a smooth paintable condition. I love the Kirkhams cars and very nearly bought one. Their as delivered bodies are rough (file finish), plain and simple. Fiberglas is basically smooth. Can the K's be massaged? Absolutely. They can be mirror smooth, but every person I have met who polished their cars have said "Never again". LOTS of work.
The 7000 cars as well as the K's use 427 footboxes which are smaller than the 289s. On the plus side, this allows a 351 and up to be installed. The 7000 tunnel is bigger, but the "trellis" as Dave calls it is a real plus in chassis flex and handling.
The problem with the 8000 cars is not so much the wheel opening, but the way off spec front spring that cause the car to ride real high in front. Really spoils the look.
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I don't thik I have ever insulted anyone on a forum before but I found your statement ludicrous. I own neither of the cars mentioned but the consensus is that Kirkham is the best quality for alum and ERA for glass over anything that Shelby has built with the continuation cars. Period. The only advantage I see is that there are people always willing to pay for the Shelby name whether buying new or used. Plus you can have your name in the SAAC regristry with the Polish bros but not with ERA.

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There is a consenus on this forum?!?! I think must have missed that.

When comparing the fiberglass cars, the Shelby is a lot more like an original in terms of the frame and other bits. While the ERA is mostly concerned with the exterior of the car looking correct. Although you really need to go to an aluminum body Kirkham or Shelby to really approach originally, there is definitely something to be said for the fiberglass Shelby being more like an original than an ERA. So I don't consider the Shelby name and SAAC registry to be the only reason to buy a glass Shelby over an ERA.

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There is a consenus on this forum?!?! I think must have missed that.

When comparing the fiberglass cars, the Shelby is a lot more like an original in terms of the frame and other bits. While the ERA is mostly concerned with the exterior of the car looking correct. Although you really need to go to an aluminum body Kirkham or Shelby to really approach originally, there is definitely something to be said for the fiberglass Shelby being more like an original than an ERA. So I don't consider the Shelby name and SAAC registry to be the only reason to buy a glass Shelby over an ERA.

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Not to stir the pot further, but I think you missed what Aspenbubba said. He said that KMP and ERA were the best in terms of quality for aluminum and glass cars, respectively, not that they were the most correct in terms of originality.
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Not to stir the pot further, but I think you missed what Aspenbubba said. He said that KMP and ERA were the best in terms of quality for aluminum and glass cars, respectively, not that they were the most correct in terms of originality.
Well, from what I've heard on this forum, the quality of both the ERA and CSX glass cars are both excellent. I'm not sure that there is a consensus that ERA is the top glass car, but perhaps in the top two.
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I didn't mean to create such passion... but it seems that the FIA is not as well known as the 427 due to the fact that there are lot less out there. Also, it seems that the 427 cobra has the most extreme look which seems to appeal to more people. Personaly I think the FIA has retro look of the 60s which make it look more conservative, the 427 look appeals the old and the new generations, it just does not get old.
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The FIA is a hot little car, but it's also smaller, with less interior room, so that's something to keep in mind.
Actually, the footboxes in the 7000’s are a little larger which translates into more interior room. The FIA’s only need to accommodate a small block.
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