Ronbo, a point of clarification if I may. A Pond block or a Shelby alloy block are a fine choice, and NOT to be compared to a Honda power plant! :D The point is, a date coded 1965 'real deal' side oiler is very rare, like obtaining the holy grail if you would. The point was in specifying a 'superior replica' build does not mean 'anything goes', just because it's a replica. Some cars, like this one, are built to a higher standard of accuracy, which is uncommon with most of todays builds. That INCLUDES Kirkhams! David K, has mentioned several times he rarely finds a customer today who WANT original specs. Because of that the price for those specs have gone up a bunch. It's cheaper to buy 'billet' stuff now than original parts.

I think you would be hard pressed to put together a new Kirkham with these specs for under a $100K. If you did it's gonna take a lot of time, energy and money to pull it off. Much easier to simply build a 'modern' Kirkham utilizing the typical available parts: Billet suspension, Baer brakes, alloy Shelby block or a 428, etc. would save a bunch over an original side oiler, suspension, brakes, etc.

Is a modern Kirkham spec'd car faster, handle better, ride better and is more reliable? NO doubt, but then again a bunch of modern cars can say that. A bunch of replicas can say that as well. But THIS Kirkham captures the soul and spirit of an original like few replicas do today.

But maybe your right, maybe you could build to these specs for under a $100K, if your well connected and do some digging for the right stuff.

Well nothing like objective numbers. Here is the breakdown of the options on that car. Add $15,000 for the suspension upgrade (original specs), $15,000 for the engine, $2,000 for the tranny and bell. You are over $100,000. I'm surprised since you just bought a Kirkham that you didn't think it would be over $100,000 for this. This car proves what I'ver been saying you don't get your cash back for some of these expensive options.
chris











427 KMS/SC Options
Interactive Price Worksheet
Please select your options and the total price will be shown at the bottom of the page. Total includes the $39,995 base price.
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Part #
Aluminum Body
$

• • • aluminum body finish: filed -
00002 aluminum body finish: brushed 7,999
00022 aluminum body finish: polished 13,900
00003 main stripes (w/ brushed or polished body only) 1,995
00004 pit stripes on fender (w/ brushed or polished body only) 395
00009 hood scoop, 427, aluminum (replaces fiberglass) 295
• • • hard top, Le Mans style, aluminum 15,000

Frame

• • • frame: steel, powder coated -
00404 frame: stainless 4,995
• • • roll bar: steel, powder coated -
00092 roll bar: stainless 595
00296 aluminum frames for hood, trunk, and doors (lightweight) 995


Body Hardware

• • • wiper system (included) -
00297 jack hooks, lightweight aluminum, set of 4 95
00291 brake scoops, fiberglass, set of 2 245
00007 heat shield for foot boxes, polished stainless 495
00008 ferrules, door, set of 8 95
00013 fuel tank straps, billet 95
00405 fuel tank, 42 gallon, (upgrade from 30 gallon) only available on 427 models. 2,250
• • • no wheel well foam -
00005 wheel well foam, uninstalled 95
00476 wheel well foam, installed 595


Interior

00161 carpet, nylon, not installed -
00477 carpet, nylon, installed 695
00016 carpet, wool, not installed 795
00478 carpet, wool, installed 1490
00303 seat tracks, adjustable, billet aluminum 695
00019 sun visors 195
00020 wind wings 195
00087 pedal assembly: brake & clutch, billet aluminum 95
00021 powder coat rear bulkhead and wheel wells 495
• • • steering wheel, wood, 15" -
00307 steering wheel, leather wrapped, 15" -
00410 steering wheel, wood, 16" (upgrade from 15") 395
00023 leather covered dash 395
00024 seat belt, upgrade to 6 point harness (requires roll bar) 125
00025 halon fire suppression system 525
00311 fresh air ventillation system, driver's footbox 495
00312 fresh air ventillation system, passenger's footbox 495
00402 dropped footbox, (for tall drivers) 1,195


Electrical

• • • wiring harness w/ relays and switches (included) -
00027 battery, sealed, with mounting tray 200
00028 battery cutoff switch (recommended) 95
• • • gauges, full set (included) -


Engine Compartment

00053 radiator tube set (includes tubes, hoses & clamps) 295
00287 Coolant Tank: (Billet Aluminum) 500
00078 oil cooler (heat exchange unit only) 195
00052 oil cooler, complete assembly 895
00031 motor mounts, FE block, set of 2 195
00032 motor mounts, 289, 302 or 351W block, set of 2 295
00033 distributer hold down, billet aluminum, FE 25
00280 alternator bracket, billet aluminum, FE 95
00038 throttle spring & billet bracket 25
00039 air cleaner cover, stainless 125
00040 air cleaner element, K&N E-1025 60
00041 cold air box, (turkey pan) 425
00042 fuel filter and fittings 195
00047 intake manifold breather, billet aluminum 50
00046 oil vapor separator tank 295
00414 stainless steering shaft and u-joints (upgrade) 125
• • • no side pipes -
00050 side pipes, complete w/ header tubes, steel, 427 - Not installed, requires welding & fitting 1995
00555 side pipes, stainless, complete w/ header tubes, 427 2995
00569 side pipes, stainless, polished, complete w/ header tubes, 427 3995


Transmission

00423 transmission mounts, Tremec, must be welded to frame 395
00056 mount & bracket, for toploader 95
00502 shift lever handle, for Tremec 295
00054 shift lever handle, for toploader 195
00055 shift linkage, for toploader, heim jointed 295
00058 shift knob 25


Drivetrain

00061 Kirkham differential, aluminum w/ mounts 5,000
00063 adapter kit to mount cast-iron Jaguar differential (instead of Kirkham diff) 395
00064 breather hose, differential 95
00066 driveshaft 325
00067 half shafts, set of 2 895
00068 driveshaft safety loop (recommended) 95

Suspension

• • • shocks & springs, set of 4 (included) -
00069 shocks, Penske w/ Hyperco springs, non-adjustable, set of 4 495
00070 shocks, Penske w/ Hyperco springs, adjustable, set of 4 2,995
• • • suspension, original style, (replaces standard billet suspension) 15,995



Brakes

• • • brakes, vented disk, standard size -
00403 rotors and calipers, front, 1.250 inch thick (upgrade from .810) 295
00011 reservoirs, brake and clutch, billet (upgrade) 95



Wheels & Tires

• • • tires, 245/60-15 front and 275/60-15 rear w/ wheels (included) -
00409 tires, Goodyear large letter, set of 4 w/ wheels, (upgrade) 995
• • • tires, Avon, V rated set of 4 w/ wheels, (upgrade) 1,495

Labor

• • • mount body on frame (included) -
00071 assemble to complete roller (not including items listed below, installation of carpet or wheel well foam) 4,995
00072 alignment, preliminary (final alignment requires engine & transmission installation 295
00051 labor, cut outs for side pipes 500
00060 labor, fill and bleed brake system 125
00586 export fee for all cars shipped outside the US. 3000



Price with selected options: $ 73984





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Who cares how much it cost or didn't cost? I don't. The buyer and seller are happy.

And why is Chris copying the Kirkham website? Just use a link. What a waste of space.

Bud, I would love to find an early P-car hot rod with a 3.2 or 3.6 in it for the track. If you hear of anything, just drop me a line.

Rodknock,
Did you read the thread. We were dicussing the cost to duplicate this beutiful car. People thought I was crazy saying it couldn't be duplicated for under $100,000. I was proving my point with objective criteria from the website. It is difficult to argue with numbers. They are not subjective!!!!!! Anyway, I'm glad the buyer and seller are happy.
chris

RodKnock:

I'll keep an eye open for that Porsche for you. With all the kind comments about the car, I am now wondering why I sold it............just kidding, Flip!:3DSMILE:

All the best,

Bud:JEKYLHYDE:JEKYLHYDE:JEKYLHYDE

Flip,
My offer still stands to store it in my garage for you. ;)

Congrats on the purchase.

Chris, I read the thread and my opinion is that it doesn't matter. Your opinion is that most Kirkham options are a waste of money. My opinion is that everyone is unique and a stainless steel frame, aluminum rear end and a polished finish might be important to some. When my Kirkham is finished, I will definitely have a lot more than $68,000 in mine. A lot more.

Excaliber believes that a period correct suspension and a date coded '65 side oiler block might be the "holy grail" (or at least the block). I don't. A Kirkham is more valuable to me if it has an aluminum block (Pond or Shelby) and the latest Kirkham billet (light) suspension. We're all different.

Nonetheless, Bud is happy and the gentleman from Texas got a great deal. There's nothing like good timing. I've never had it.

Joe Wicked,

Thanks for the generous offer but I have a garage in my Texas home that
has #142 written all over it!:LOL:

I am looking forward to driving a Cobra in a location other than an island
where all you can do is go in circles!:)

Well you sure opened a can of worms buying that car Flip. :LOL:

So do you need a care taker for the Texas Location?

I'm not trying to grind this out but everyone seems to be missing the point.

I was not refering to how much it would cost now to build this car.

I had stated that Bud didn't loose as much as people think because if you read his ebay ad you'll see that a lot of the options were included at the time. He also mentioned (in the ad) he's a distributor of shelby parts. If Kirkham has plucked away some standard items then the cost has increased even if the base price has remained the same.

I agree that the car was worth more, I saw a similar one sell for around $95k about 1 1/2 months ago on ebay.

Bud, like many here lived his dream. It's tough to put a price on that. Not to mention Cobras would be about as exciting as a Camery if they were all the same. (well, not quite that dull)

Guess I shouldn't mention how tempted I was to stick a Boss 429 in mine...:eek:

Ronbo, thats a reasonable point, what it cost then vs what it cost now, profit/loss scenarios. I recall that Shelby offered a glass car for around $35K some years ago and Kirkham immediatly followed that with a similiar offer. Now some CC members (at least one) had to wait about 2 years for Shelby to come through, but he DID get his car at a VERY nice price, and without doubt sold it and made some money on the deal to boot!

I won't speculate and it's not 'polite' to wonder how Bud Man did on this deal, if he's happy, let it go and good for him. Great for Flip as well. On rare occasions 'good deals' come around, usually when I'm broke at the time. :D

I made some money on Cobras over the years myself, broke even on others and expect to lose on some. It all comes out in the wash, meanwhile, I'm having a ball, life is good and my ERA is running great! :D These cars should be never be considered an investment, if you get lucky and break even or take a reasonable loss on a resale, you done good!

I saved a BUNCH rebuilding my own motor, sure took a lot of work though, sweat equity, it's a beautiful thing.

It's funny how quickly things gave changed. In 2000 I saw a concours Boss 429 restoration sell for $60,000. 3 years after it doubled in price. I wish I had $20,000 in 1999 I had the oportunity to buy an ex drag boss with a complete but aprart SOHC 427. Unfortunatel, I didn't have the cash and the car sold. Nowadys the motor is worth more than that
chris

Hi Cobra,

Please give me a call or drop me a line.

David
:):):)

Woulda sold for a lot more if it was painted like real Cobras :rolleyes:


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HI Cobra,

Welcome to TEXAS!! I think I read in a earlier thread you are moving to the Houston area of this huge state. Please join us in the very active Houston Cobra Club when you get here. We race, talk, meet, talk, car shows, talk, and have a great group of members. We do talk alot. Not to hijack this thread but check out the group on our yahoo site and let us know when ya get here.

Larry

I think it goes without saying that the market is soft right now. The fact remains that something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.

Larry,

Thanks for the welcome. My house is in Montgomery close to Lake Conroe.
I'm still living in Hawaii but will be spending more time in Texas in the future.
We are in the process of getting furniture - it is a brand new house and we
love the location. When I saw the specs on the Kirkham I had to take a shot
at it and darned if I didn't get it. A long time dream fulfilled. This way I have
a Cobra to play with no matter which house I'm at. Life is good!
Looking forward to meeting everyone there.

Welcome to the fold, Flipper. Bud did it right and treated it right...you done muy goodo. ;)

I'm just saying that if you need a "babysitter" for it until you get here, I am in the DFW area and can pick it up. :cool: