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Gofastoldguy 12-27-2013 12:49 AM

Control arm bushings
 
What is the correct replacement lower bushing for a Mk III FFR lower control arm? I can't remember if it is a Moog or Mustang part or applicable year.

mikiec 12-27-2013 04:17 PM

Contact FFR.

Did they not get replaced during your oops?

Gofastoldguy 12-27-2013 11:49 PM

Mike…no. They were fine. I have a torn boot and just want to replace a 13 year old joint rather than just the boot.

mikiec 12-28-2013 08:30 AM

If there is no movement in the ball joint, just replace the boot. The FFR forum should have an answer.

Mike

Karl Bebout 12-28-2013 08:54 AM

Jeez, I get corn-fixed so easily. Thought you were looking for lower A-arm bushings and then Mikie starts talking about a lower ball joint.???

Bill, FOR can give you the part number and brand and then just go to your local NAPA and they can convert that to a good MOOG number. I don't know of any better chassis parts.

Watch out for Mikie, he'll lead you down the garden path...

mikiec 12-28-2013 11:48 AM

Karl,

I'm guessing on the Ball Joint. Sometimes Bill gets things wrong. Bill bring it to 83rd tonight and we will check it for you.

Robert McLinden 12-28-2013 12:06 PM

Here is a hint for you guys. If it is located by the wheel it probably is a ball joint. If it is located by the chasis it probably is a bushing. There are exceptions. Just fix it.

vettestr 12-28-2013 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gofastoldguy (Post 1277474)
Mike…no. They were fine. I have a torn boot and just want to replace a 13 year old joint rather than just the boot.

Who you kidding Bill? You have never had a joint last for 13 years.
You might be able to buy a poly boot separately or just buy the stock lower ball-joint for a Mustang. Do you have aftermarket control arms or stock?

Car Nut 12-29-2013 03:08 PM

If its a shift lever boot, you can use just about anything.

Fitz 12-29-2013 03:30 PM

:CRY:We all loose our ball joints after 65?

mikiec 12-29-2013 04:25 PM

Actually the right foot boot, that's the one that has caused most of his trouble.

Gofastoldguy 12-29-2013 08:51 PM

I am sooooo lucky to have "buds" like youse guys for advice. I ordered a Mustang ball joint to be safe. Thx to all.

Gofastoldguy 12-30-2013 12:04 PM

A Joints' a joint
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mikiec (Post 1277542)
Karl,

I'm guessing on the Ball Joint. Sometimes Bill gets things wrong. Bill bring it to 83rd tonight and we will check it for you.

OK….OK…Ball Joint. Remember I am an elderly resident & sometimes get confused and disoriented. At least I ordered the right part (I think)
Regards,
Bill (more hair than Mike) Bryan

mikiec 12-30-2013 06:50 PM

Do you have the Mustang lower on the car? If not, did you verify that FFR used the Mustang part on their lowers? Did you order one for the other side? How about the upper's?

RedSnake351 12-30-2013 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikiec (Post 1277902)
Do you have the Mustang lower on the car? If not, did you verify that FFR used the Mustang part on their lowers? Did you order one for the other side? How about the upper's?

Mikie, you sound like a cop, WAAAAY too many questions!%/

Gofastoldguy 12-31-2013 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikiec (Post 1277902)
Do you have the Mustang lower on the car? If not, did you verify that FFR used the Mustang part on their lowers? Did you order one for the other side? How about the upper's?

Mike...b-joint had debris thru the broken boot. Joint opposite was excellent/tight. Uppers checked out fine. Found slightly loose RF wheel bearing. Did alignment check while up in the air. -1deg neg camber, 1/16 toe, 6-8 pos caster. Should be ok Yarnell. BTW uppers and lower arms are the optional ones from FFR. Thx, Bill

big.al 01-01-2014 04:21 AM

Be careful replacing lower ball joints in the FFR arms. I attempted to upgrade to a higher quality ball joint in my brand new FFR arms and the holes in the arms are about .005 bigger than the new ball joints (which are oversize Moog for rebuilds) FFR response to this: "The FFR Front Lower Control Arms were designed in a similar fashion as the Factory Ford Lower Control Arms with respect to the ball joint design/replacement procedures. Ford states that it is recommended to replace the entire control arm assembly and the ones that come in a FFR front lower control arm are already over sized" . They would be glad to sell me another $400.00 set but I will weld these in as others have done. FYI, per FFR 87-93 mustang. The Moog part # is K8259

Car Nut 01-03-2014 08:33 AM

.005" is about the thickness of two sheets of thin paper and not all holes are perfectly concentric. They may press in with some resistance anyway, if not, I would be inclined to use Green Loctite retaining compound, a permanent product used for engine sleeves and other components, instead of welding. I believe you can still remove with heat for future replacement, or you could use red.

An installed ball joint is not going to fall out, so you just want to be sure it is not working itself around in hole.

big.al 01-04-2014 06:05 AM

.005 doesn't sound like much but it's enough that the ball joint moves considerably in the hole not even close to any type of friction fit. Falls right out. According to the specs to the hyper-linked product , that green loctite retaining compound is for all threaded engagements less than or equal to 1/2 inch in diameter. But the Loctite 638 Retaining Compound is good for up to .010 clearance on cylindrical parts with a shear strength of 4200 lbs. This may be a viable option and I will research more. Sorry not trying to hi jack the original post.

Car Nut 01-04-2014 08:15 AM

You are correct, my reference to green threadlocker was not. Brain fart, corrected my thread. While both are green, they are a vastly different product. Thanks.


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