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Rossba 12-04-2013 01:42 AM

double posted some how

dhs.buckley 12-04-2013 01:23 PM

thanks ross, sounds like a similiar problem, the guy i have been chatting to is supplying me with a quote for the 670 street avenger carb with dominator bowls twin fuel lines and the edelbrock straight through fuel pump as i have space issues where the fuel pump is located.

jhv48 12-04-2013 02:47 PM

The street avenger has vacuum secondaries. If you want to maximize all the power your engine can make, get a mechanical secondary carb. The carb selector on Holley's web site even suggests a mechanical secondary carb for our light weight cars. I have replaced the street avenger carbs on both of my cobras (one had a 302, the other a 427) and in both cases, throttle response increased as well as dyno results.
If you stick with the SA carb, you're leaving horsepower on the garage floor.

dhs.buckley 12-04-2013 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jhv48 (Post 1274785)
The street avenger has vacuum secondaries. If you want to maximize all the power your engine can make, get a mechanical secondary carb. The carb selector on Holley's web site even suggests a mechanical secondary carb for our light weight cars. I have replaced the street avenger carbs on both of my cobras (one had a 302, the other a 427) and in both cases, throttle response increased as well as dyno results.
If you stick with the SA carb, you're leaving horsepower on the garage floor.

i have heard this, but the fuel consumption i have been told would be almost double with the double pumper, effectively leaving me with a total range of about 125klm,
at the moment iam getting about 240-260klm out of a tank with the 465 holley which the tank hold about 50 litres

jhv48 12-04-2013 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dhs.buckley (Post 1274787)
i have heard this, but the fuel consumption i have been told would be almost double with the double pumper, effectively leaving me with a total range of about 125klm,
at the moment iam getting about 240-260klm out of a tank with the 465 holley which the tank hold about 50 litres

Not true. I've done it twice and noticed no difference in fuel consumption. The only way your mileage will go down is if you keep your foot on the floor and leave those secondaries open. Normal driving will be the same as it is right now. But, floor it and all hell will break loose.

Just try it. Cheapest horsepower you'll ever buy. If you don't like the dp, sell it and buy the SA.

YerDugliness 12-04-2013 07:21 PM

When I bought my replica (I believe it to be a box-stock 5.0HO from a 1989 Mustang GT) it had a Holley 780CFM vacuum secondary carb on it (3310???). It ran like a pig. I swapped it out for an Edelbrock Thunder (the smaller version, I think) and it runs like a scalded-ass ape now...bigger is not always better.

On the other hand, you have some go-fast goodies on yours that I do not have, so you can most likely handle some more carb.

Have you considered a custom built carb? Blykins can take your specs and have a QF made that might just be the ticket.

Cheers!

Dugly :cool:

David Hodgson 12-04-2013 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dhs.buckley (Post 1274787)
i have heard this, but the fuel consumption i have been told would be almost double with the double pumper,

Both the vac and mech secondary carbies you would use are square bore so at cruising = no extra fuel consumption, around town if your using more than half throttle = some extra due to the secondary accelerator pump activating some what, but full throttle like track work really works the secondary acc. pump so definatly more on the track - but worth it.

My 302 is out to 310 with cam, heads, mechanical pump, single fuel line with 600 DP square bore about 300 at fly wheel - goes to 6,500 quite regular without starvation.

boxhead 12-04-2013 08:27 PM

Fit an LS1

Towmaster 12-04-2013 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by boxhead (Post 1274831)
Fit an LS1

Or a Dart block Windsor......

That would be faster..... hey Gav?

Modena 12-05-2013 05:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Towmaster (Post 1274836)
Or a Dart block Windsor......

That would be faster..... hey Gav?

Or two crate LS3's and a T-56 with the change.

Gav 12-06-2013 05:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Towmaster (Post 1274836)
Or a Dart block Windsor......

That would be faster..... hey Gav?

Over the quarter?

Towmaster 12-08-2013 04:33 AM

Well when you do an official quarter mile time (I don't mean a belt around a southern Victorian town) let me know exactly how much faster you are... ;)

dhs.buckley 12-08-2013 04:32 PM

had another little problem on the weekend, after testing the new fuel pump,no carb yet i found things improved a fair bit, but after the run i found my push in oil filler cap had disapeared, only a little bit of oil on the bonnet,
So went down to supercrap and bought a fill in cap non vented for the time being, went for the next run and now found the sump gasket has started to leak, so i checked the engine at idle and there is plenty of suction from the pcv valve, so just wonder why the original cap would of ever popped out,
just wondering if you back off after heavy acceleration if the pressure may revert the other way and popped out the original cap?

darkside 12-09-2013 03:21 AM

made the mistake of leaving both tappet covers fitted with non breathing caps while we were installing au2 motor,made quite the little oil puddle from pressure build up straight out the dipstik tube...silly ol dipstick :LOL:...doc

dhs.buckley 12-21-2013 01:13 PM

Well after having a look for xmas presents for the kids yesturday, there was a bit of spare cash left over, so the cobra got an early xmas present
http://i1331.photobucket.com/albums/...pse4b35297.jpg
So it was out with the old 465 holley and in with the 670 avenger amazing the difference, I dont know why i didnt do it earlier, throttle response and down low power is far better, also it's like the secondaires where never working on the poor old 465.
power all the way the way to 6500 rpm now
http://i1331.photobucket.com/albums/...ps3ef769d4.jpg
http://i1331.photobucket.com/albums/...psa829f563.jpg
http://i1331.photobucket.com/albums/...psd0172993.jpg

http://i1331.photobucket.com/albums/...ps052870f1.jpg

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v...70518645373115

YerDugliness 12-21-2013 01:28 PM

I absolutely love the look of the dual-inlet center float Holleys....add a double pumper option and it seems like it should be the perfect carb!

What an improvement to the look under the hood!

Cheer!!!!

Dugly :cool:

dhs.buckley 12-21-2013 01:41 PM

Thanks Dugly, yes thats why i got that model 670 as it has the double pumper option if i feel the need to add it.
It was 41 deg c yesturday or 106 f so not ideal for testing power but the difference was very noticable, the car sat on a steady 195f so the cooling system is doing its job very well at the moment.


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