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Buzz 02-13-2012 07:20 PM

Roll bars in Cobras are designed to work with crash helmets on the track where there's a reasonable risk of rolling the car while pushing it to its limits. They originally had no passenger bar because you don't race with a passenger and you (supposedly) don't push the car to 9/ 10ths and beyond on the street with your wife or significant other in the passenger seat.

Putting a roll bar behind your passenger without making them wear a helmet just increases the risk of a debilitating blow to the head in the type of accidents you're most likely to have on the street. The driver side bar puts you at the same risk but its your car and if the aesthetic considerations for you are not worth the risk you wouldn't be driving a SC style Cobra.

Kidding yourself and your passenger that a Cobra is "safer" with a passenger roll bar is uninformed at best and plumb dumb and irresponsible at worst. There's plain little that can be done to make a Cobra "safe" in normal automotive terms and nerfing one up with bars and padding is like bolting outriggers on a motorcycle to keep it upright. You're detracting from the original spirit and gaining nothing (making it worse actually) in the process.

Now, for the open trackers who need to drive with an instructor, its different but again, the bars are being used as intended with helmets and other safety equipment.

That's my broken record dissertation. At the end of it all, be as informed as possible and do it the way that makes you happy.

Cashburn 02-13-2012 07:55 PM

There was a discussion on here at some point and a link to a video of a BDR that was in fact rolled over and was shown resting on it's rollbar. That accident was the result of a DWI I recall from the news report.

CSX3183 02-13-2012 08:22 PM

I related this discussion to my wife, her atitude was the following: you don't modify the car from it's original design, just to please someone's feelings, if they don't like it that there is only one roll bar, tuff, don't ride.

And for the wife who complains, tell her to stay home and bake some cookies and watch a soap opera!

In reality, the majority of 427 Cobra's originally didn't come with roll bars, did guys complain back then, or girls for that matter?

Next you'll be wanting to install a cup holder for her.

fordracing65 02-13-2012 08:49 PM

About the wife discussion, I thought you were suppose to leave them home and pick up chicks with a cobra.;)

lovehamr 02-13-2012 08:55 PM

I had Jay do mine with 2. Yes I get heckled occasionally but I do track it and drive with a passenger often. In mine if the passenger's head were to make contact with the bar then their neck is fooked before their head ever hits the bar so I call that a wash. Even though I don't consider myself a waxxer, in the shows that I have taken it to it's generated nothing but praise. No snickers.

Steve

Got the Bug 02-13-2012 08:59 PM

So if you have no rollbars, you have no regard for own safety or the safety of your passenger. :LOL:

Nobody's going to convince anyone here about one vs. two roll bars. Whatever floats your boat.

RodKnock 02-13-2012 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patrickt (Post 1175685)
OK, so you don't want me to say to your wife "You know, if you were my wife, that Kirkham would have two roll bars. I would want you to have the same safety features that I afford myself." Yeah, that would be sure to shoot the rest of your weekend to hell.http://www.capitalareacobraclub.com/...tive1/evil.gif

Here's my hope for those that decide to have two roll bars in their cars to make their Cobra safer.

Please make sure that you and your family: a) purchase cell phones that emit the lowest amount of radiation, b) purchase tickets on the safest airline, c) purchase houses that are not near power lines, d) don't smoke tobacco or drink alcohol, e) eat a lowfat low cholesterol diet, f) exercise regularly, g) make sure you get regular or semi-regular colonoscopies and mammograms at the appropriate age, h) purchase homes in the safest (lowest crime) areas, i) drink water instead sodas with chemicals and sugars, j) purchase and drive the safest autos and trucks made, h) test and eradicate any toxic mold from your home, and on and on and on.

Otherwise, you just don't love your wife and family enough. :rolleyes:

lovehamr 02-13-2012 10:33 PM

Yup, those roll bars serve absolutely no purpose.
http:////api.viglink.com/api/click?f...13292005929325

Ralphy 02-13-2012 11:06 PM

lovehamr,
It seems to me if you had his and her's. When racing you could add stiffeners between the two hoops and also the third tubes. Seen some pics here where a single roll bar bent so bad it finally moved enough that it lost any abilities to help. I also can't see why you couldn't remove her's if wanting the single roll bar look once in awhile. Not picking any sides just looking at all the options.

RodKnock 02-13-2012 11:11 PM

lovehamr, you missed my point.

Accidents can happen at home too. What's more likely to happen?


CSX3183 02-14-2012 05:02 AM

Lovehamr, well that explains it, you grt heckled, but don't hear any snickers.

Boy that's what I want when I would somewhere in my car,,,, to get heckled to my face! That's much better than receiving no snickers behind my back.

You can't have one without the other ! Nice try.

lovehamr 02-14-2012 05:10 AM

Really RK, I get what you're saying and I agree with the aesthetics issue. What I mean is that we're talking about common "roll bar" configurations not door side intrusion bars, air bags, ejection seats or wii bats (LMAO:LOL:, BTW). And the only reason to go with a single rather than double or even one large one is aesthetics.

Ralphy, you are right, at least with my car, I could remove the other bar occasionally if I wanted to. But to be honest it's not that big of a deal to me and I'm way to lazy to do it because someone else didn't like it.;)

lovehamr 02-14-2012 05:12 AM

3138, why don't you go back to waxing your Prius.

patrickt 02-14-2012 05:15 AM

The only place I have ever encountered even the slightest, eensy-weensy bit of good natured ribbing over my roll bars is this forum. Nowhere else. It just doesn't happen. In fact, if you took a hundred people that knew absolutely nothing about the history of Cobras, and went purely on the aesthetic attributes of one or two roll bars, the majority would undoubtedly go with two roll bars. And, had I shown up on Shelby's doorstelp in 1965 with a wad of cash in my hand and said "I'll take the black one over there, but only if you take this money and install a passenger side roll bar first before I take delivery" this whole debate would never be taking place.

computerworks 02-14-2012 06:07 AM

My opinion-
To the purist, a second roll bar is visually disappointing.
To the casual, a second roll bar looks safe and symmetrical.
To the beginning tracker, a second roll bar or full-width single is mandatory for an instructor to ride with you.

Since you are building a recreation, do what meets your needs...so much else of the car is a departure from originality anyhow.

If this is an argument, there is no right answer for all.

(changes costume and puts on Moderator hat...)

Quit the sniping and name calling or I will delete the thread rather quickly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cartman (Post 1175574)
Is there a prevailing preference in the Backdraft community for or against a passenger roll bar?

Poor cartman's only post was the original post... we should be hearing from the "Backdraft community," not the chorus. :cool:

Thanks
ron
ClubCobra Moderator

patrickt 02-14-2012 06:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by computerworks (Post 1175751)
not the chorus. :cool:

What a wonderful word... or khoros, as it used to be. And this entire thread can be viewed as an "attic tragedy." Ron's post was the most erudite yet.:cool:

lovehamr 02-14-2012 07:17 AM

CW, the "Prius waxing" thing to much?:D

computerworks 02-14-2012 07:20 AM

In my best DeNero.. "...a liitle bit, just a little bit" :p

Cartman 02-14-2012 07:55 AM

I had no idea this post would generate such "energy". In buying my first Cobra, I just wanted to hear the varying viewpoints -- primarily relating to aesthetics -- and make my decision from there. I felt the need to pursue this area in preparation for its affect on eventual "re-sale".

Thanks for the vigorous interchange of thought!!

emberglo66 02-14-2012 08:16 AM

Sorry not a Backdraft owner, but I do have a custom full length roll bar with a drop support to the frame next to the trans tunnel on the passenger side. I have only received one remark "that makes your car look like a cheap kit" I laughed and asked where their car was.... got no answer.

why even bother asking... just get what you want. If you like it then who cares... especially most of these posters. oh and if I had a CSX or Kirkham.. I would have the same roll bar setup!!

I have images of the fitting and final finished roll bar in my gallery


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