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Hexnut72 07-01-2009 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 289fia_cobra (Post 962779)
You'd get a kick out of the C/D magazine caparo: Camaro v.s. Challenger v.s. Mustang.

Mustang had the least HP yet after the dust settled, it won the comparison. Go figure. Ford is credited for never ceasing the production of the Mustang (although I wished they had with the Ghia Mustang II. ) . Sometimes, it's not all about power.
Do you think the results have anything to do with the fact that Ford is the only mfg of the three with an ad budget left?

:D

J/K. I like the Camaro but wish the trunk opening wasn't useless and that the car weighed 300-500 pounds less. Just wait till the 5.0 comes out next year.

ERA Chas 07-01-2009 05:50 PM
Saw a new SS locally parked next to a '67SS. What a shame. It's gigantic and looks like an inflated shelter for the '67. It idles like LeSabre.
Nothing from the past translates well as a 'retro'. Including the GT40. The Challenger and Mustang are also bad jokes.

TerrysSPF 07-01-2009 06:52 PM
I agree. All 3 retro cars are heffers. I drove a new Challenger a few weeks back and it handled like a pig (just like they did in 1970).

Oh, they may indeed come out with a Z-28 in the next couple years but I wouldn't hold my breath on the Z-28 being faster than the current SS. Keep in mind that GM is now GOVERNMENT Motors, and with Obama's new fuel economy mandates, I wouldn't be surprised if the Z-28 ends up having a V6!
Remember the MustangII's of the late 70's.........all looks and no go?
-That's where we're headed again folks.

undy 07-01-2009 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ROUSHAC (Post 962709)
Good thing you said most. The new 'vettes are a whole 'nuther kettle 'o fish.
You're right there...

A friend has a FFR with a Ford Motorsport 460 crate motor. We got into a run, (closed circuit course) him in the Cobra and me with my intake/headers/tune 508 rwhp Z06. We left from a stand still and by 100 I was ahead by 6 or 7 lengths and pulling on him harder and harder.. On a open track HPDE it would have been even uglier.

tkb289 07-01-2009 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by TerrysSPF (Post 962871)

..... Remember the MustangII's of the late 70's.........all looks and no go? .....
The Mustang II, in my opinion, ... was No looks and No go ! :D


- Tim

ERA Chas 07-02-2009 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by undy (Post 962876)
You're right there...

A friend has a FFR with a Ford Motorsport 460 crate motor. We got into a run, (closed circuit course) him in the Cobra and me with my intake/headers/tune 508 rwhp Z06. We left from a stand still and by 100 I was ahead by 6 or 7 lengths and pulling on him harder and harder.. On a open track HPDE it would have been even uglier.
Interesting question:
How does a 3100 pound, 508rwhp Vette do with a 2650 pound, 465rwhp Cobra?
(I'm assuming the crate 460 made less power than 465 at the rear.)
At least over a quarter mile.
Does the weight difference equalize the power difference?
Last Vette I ran had no chance but I don't know if stock or modified as yours.

undy 07-02-2009 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by ERA Chas (Post 962964)
Interesting question:
How does a 3100 pound, 508rwhp Vette do with a 2650 pound, 465rwhp Cobra?
(I'm assuming the crate 460 made less power than 465 at the rear.)
At least over a quarter mile.
Does the weight difference equalize the power difference?
Last Vette I ran had no chance but I don't know if stock or modified as yours.
The ability to put it to the ground is typically lacking with the Cobra, more so than the vette with it's 325 or 345 wide sticky steam rollers (345/19 Michelin PS2s in my case) and typical better gearing. The aerodynamics of the vette is temendously better too. Also, a lot of "600 hp" cobras struggle to put 400 hp to the rear tires. I think that was around what his 460 Cobra was putting down.

Given equal traction, gearing and aerodynamics a 465 rwhp Cobra would in fact beat a 508 rwhp vette. The Cobra would have 5.7 lbs per HP whereas the vette would have 6.1. I'm not a quarter mile racer but the guys that are and have good abilities running like Z06s are getting 10.8x/10.9x @ around 130 with drag radials.

ERA Chas 07-03-2009 05:49 AM
I agree. Hooking has always been the problem. A rolling launch is not much help either, you will go right through the tires unless you have great feel and experience with the car.
The aero is an interesting point. I've found it helps Vettes to 'maintain' a distance once past 100 MPH but the initial ground lost to the Cobra is not made up.
I did get burned by a Vortec-blown Vette with drag radials, couldn't leave on him with me on Hoosiers and he pulled very hard mid range on up.


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