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Grubby 07-17-2023 04:00 PM

Air leak past door hinges
 
Bob,

I have air coming past the door hinges at highway speeds. I didn't notice this on my last ERA.

838 has the bonded body option and I can see the foam seals between the body and foot boxes. There are no obvious gaps in the areas I can see with my mechanic's mirror.

Do you have any suggestions for a way to improve this? What about poking a hole in one of the foam seals and shooting expanding foam in the gap between the two seals? Or maybe, this is normal?

John

twobjshelbys 07-17-2023 05:19 PM

My doors had a foam seal. Rain still got in but I didn't have any wind, but perhaps that is because at decent speeds it's so windy I couldn't hear small leaks around the door. Do you have a topper?

Grubby 07-17-2023 05:33 PM

Not around the door seals….around the hinges.

I can feel the air on my knee.

I do have a top and side curtains for cold rainy days.

John

mrmustang 07-17-2023 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grubby (Post 1518596)
Not around the door seals….around the hinges.

I can feel the air on my knee.

I do have a top and side curtains for cold rainy days.

John

Take a large plastic ziplock style bag and place it behind the hinges, between the body, then spray slow expansion foam into the bag, a little at a time, until the hot air issue is solved.


Bill S.

xb-60 07-18-2023 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grubby (Post 1518594)
….I have air coming past the door hinges at highway speeds….

John, humour me - this is an open top car, how on earth can you tell where the air is coming from?

Cheers,
Glen

DanEC 07-18-2023 05:47 AM

I’ve heard of taking sections of pool noodles and working them between the fenders and the cowl structure/ foot box. It seems I cut some strips of thick upholstery foam and put in mine but it’s been too long to remember the details.

fintubi 07-18-2023 10:04 AM

When I called ERA about this issue, Doug recommended the same expanding-foam solution as Bill S. He didn't mention the bag idea, which may make it more effective. He did emphasize the importance of using the minimal-expansion variety (blue can) to avoid putting pressure on the body.

Grubby 07-18-2023 11:05 AM

The air leak is obvious on my knee and when I probe it is certainly around the hinges.

Minimal expansion foam sounds like a good solution.

The body was sealed by ERA, but they must have missed something.

I do drive long road trips and sometimes with a top. The heater will work better with the body sealed.

John

fintubi 07-18-2023 12:12 PM

One other refinement is to get some 1/4" vinyl tubing at the hardware store and slip a 6-12" length over the rigid tube that comes with the can of foam. This will allow you to get farther into the area between the footbox and the body.

After blasting in some foam, I used a piece of 12 awg solid copper wire to probe for open paths from both the cockpit and engine bay directions. It took a few iterations until I encountered foam regardless of where I probed.

patrickt 07-18-2023 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grubby (Post 1518609)
The air leak is obvious on my knee and when I probe it is certainly around the hinges.

Wouldn't long pants be the easiest fix?:confused:

SAcobra427 08-19-2023 05:04 PM

Same problem with mine
 
I had the exact same problem with #833. It had the bonded body option also.
The heat would come from behind the door hinge area and after driving for 20 or 30 min. your knee would feel like it was getting a bad sunburn. It was the same on the passengers side also. Fixed it with the expandable foam.

Grubby 08-19-2023 07:09 PM

SACobra

Where did you shoot the foam? Did you use minimal expanding foam?

I haven’t got to this issue yet. It looks like I could poke a hole in the foam from the door hinge and fill the void between the front and rear foam seals.

John

SAcobra427 08-20-2023 06:56 AM

I injected the foam from both the hinge area along with from under the car.

eschaider 08-20-2023 08:34 AM

John,

As I read the posts, it was not clear to me if the air was hot air coming from the engine compartment or ambient air finding ways through openings in the fit of the door to the body. Could you clarify?

Grubby 08-20-2023 11:53 AM

It’s an ERA specific issue. There are two foam strips used to seal air from the engine compartment into the cabin.


ERA installs them with a bonded body option - like mine.
John

Grubby 08-20-2023 04:28 PM

I just used my shop vac to blow air from the door hinge forward. The air leak is around the 1/2 x 2 frame bracket near the top. Both sides were the same.

I shot some minimal expanding foam in that area from the engine bay.

The air leak seems fixed. I will go for a drive tomorrow to confirm.

John

eschaider 08-20-2023 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grubby (Post 1519517)
It’s an ERA specific issue. There are two foam strips used to seal air from the engine compartment into the cabin.


ERA installs them with a bonded body option - like mine.
John

Thanks, John, got it! Lack of familiarity with ERAs and the old-fashioned slow on the draw problem. :)

mrmustang 08-21-2023 03:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grubby (Post 1519517)
It’s an ERA specific issue.


Actually, it's not, every Cobra replica, no matter what brand, has the same basic issue. Some more noticeable than others, all require some type of tweaking to the insulation between the passenger compartment and the engine compartment.


Just saying ;)


Bill S.


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