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A very good way to look at it. More moving parts, more chance for failure.
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However, if the block isn't drilled, there aren't too many choices and a solid flat tappet was made for that scenario. I have my solid flats made a little differently than most guys though. They are nitrided, I use tool steel lifters, and I have them ground with extra lobe taper. |
Lobe taper is a very important consideration---with rollers the cam lobes don't have any base angle to rotate the lifters and then of course without that taper the cam doesn't want to stay BACK in the cam tunnel ----It requires a thrust plate and oiling mods to lube the front gear/block area and without that the load from oil pump and distributor drive will cause the cam to move forward and backwards---this will also then wipe out the gears as the mesh angles don't remain correctly constant-----
I also once modded a Holman-Moody marine block with 16 -3 tubes to the lifter bosses so I could put a hydraulic lifter cam in it for my 1966 Comet GT390------but before I got it together they came out with the 428CJ and I was able to get one in a Torino------it ran so good that we then put the 427 ( now also with a 428 crank ) into John Keelings 1969 Ford F150 plus 3 dueces and CJ hood scoop for our dragster push truck---ran very nice and did it ever come on good when those 3 dueces opened on the fire up road------- |
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By tool steel, are you referring to a type of Stellite alloy?
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http://www.crower.com/media/pdf/2008b/140-141.pdf |
They are all I use for flat tappet. I use the Camsaver lifters for hydraulics and EDM for solids.
However, the extra oiling doesn’t work with a block that’s not drilled. |
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Not to hijack the thread, but I have a 385 series and, of course, I've seen where some people have concerns about pushrod angularity with hydraulic roller lifters. I'm still leaning toward the rollers, even though I'm likely to end up with a cam around 0.600" valve / 0.350" lobe lift and 230°/240° duration @ 0.050". |
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Some companies make extreme duty rollers that use brass instead of the needle bearings in the rollers. They supposedly last twice as long as the needle bearing rollers. Jim |
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My solid rollers for pulling engines will go up to 1" lift with a roller cam. |
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Hello Dwight.
Normally I just enjoy reading these threads and do not interject as there are many here that have far more knowledge than I but just for the sake of conversation here is my observations. Allow me to lean on your points of importance such as low maintenance and the way you plan to operate the vehicle. Based on your description of events you plan to participate in. All that considered the question from my perspective is why? (Why) pertaining to the need to run a solid roller cam. What advantage does it serve verses it's limitations? Given the operation of your car running a large enough cam to really take advantage of the solid roller doesn't add up. I don't know what size of cam you want to use but given your driving description it should run duration @ .050 intake of 250-260 degrees. With a lift of .600. (That given the heads you are running will be able to take advantage of that size of cam. But that is not your question?) At this size of cam a solid flat tappet verses the power advantage of a solid roller is very slight. And the life cycle of a solid roller will be considerably less and require much more attention to avoid potential failure. Solid rollers with aggressive lobes (which is the only reason to run one) require much more durable ancillary parts that are expensive and will not live all that long. Heavy valve springs, much less valve seat life, rocker arm life, stress to the timing chain, and bronze distributor gear life all will play a factor in the life cycle of your engine and maintenance schedules. So if your motivation for a solid roller cam is extra power you will not have much of a benefit. Especially verses costs and maintenance. Since your block is designed to run only solid lifters a discussion about hydraulic lifter is mute. In summary, a solid flat tappet, properly broke in with proper oil type will give a great power, cost less than 1/2 the parts needed to run a solid roller and live longer. Plus maintenance is considerably less. One more point so you don't think that I am bias to flat tappets. I like solid rollers and run one in my Cobra but I am willing to live with the results and my cam is huge. I just think, again given your operating environment a solid flat tappet is better. Regards Phil |
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1" valve lift is hard to comprehend. LOL Thanks. |
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Solid flat tappet cams worked just fine for a hundred years or so.
But no they won't work? |
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Combine the above with higher lift and spring pressures and the problem is exacerbated. |
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