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427 fe
I have a chance to buy a 427. It has a ford id plate attached to pass side of block saying that it is an Industral 427. The date code is 1969. It has internal oil pump and no crossbolts or holes or bosses for such. What can I expect to find when I open this thing up? Is it set up for crossbolting, is the block and internal parts of any value? It's all std. (has never been opened up and was running fine but using a lot of oil when stored).
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I thought ALL 427 where cross bolted?
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That's what I thought and what about the 1969 date code?
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You need to check this out carefully. From what I understand there were some 2 bolt main 427's used for industrial applications. But I think it should have the bosses for the crossbolts and std 2 bolt maincaps. I'm not 100 percent sure on the bosses though but I can find out. I've never seen one and have only heard of 2 being found but picture proof was never seen. It could be a C7JE-E which is a 68 427 irrigation block. This would but it close to the 69 date tag. The internals are just basic with nothing extra HD as they were deemed for low rpm use only. Let me know what the casting numbers are from the block heads etc.... as they made a 428 industrial engine also. But it sounds like a great find be it either. Keep us posted...please! G.
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67 mopargtx
Go to this web site and ask your questions. They might be able to help you there too. http://www.network54.com/Forum/74182 Hope this helps Paul |
Thanks, Was there any kind of bosses for crossbolts or did they just mill a flat spot upon installation?
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If it doesn't have bosses cast, that doesn't mean it can't be converted for crossbolt mains. The procedure will cost a few hundred for the machining, plus a few hundred for new crossbolt maincaps. With old parts, it's almost better to start off with a virgin bolt cross-bolt-wise as the spacers need to be fit individually (between the inner block surface and the sides of the maincaps).
Is the block a sideoiler? Do you want the crossbolts for a reason? Or just for the appearance? If so, you probalby want it to be a sideoiler too. I don't think industrial blocks came with steel cranks, if that's important to you, just regular cast cranks. The thing I'd check first and foremost, before anything else, is the wall thickness remaining (and the actual bore) after any necessary cylinder cleanup work. |
No, it's not a sideoiler. I was thinking of selling this piece and was looking at the possibilities of what it's value would be. I buy and sell 428 pieces and stumbled into this motor by accident. I was trying to imagine how this motor was put together. Are the sides of the main caps in contact with the block like on a 427 crossbolted block? Not open like a 428?
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What was it?
I once had a FE block that not a standard 428, it was not a 428CJ, and not a 427. It had the extra webbing and the unmachined sideoiler boss below. Searched high and low for an answer as to what it really was. I spent a bit of time calling into a few people at Ford. Had the raised 66-427 insignia on the back of the block just like some of the 390 X blocks had. I was told by two different sources that said there were various blocks from 427 castings that were used for industrial and street use that were machined as 428s.; apparently some castings were being shared between 427s and 428s during an unspecified period of time. The bore and internals were all 428 and I kept it as a 428. I never found anything in print anywhere to back this up, only a few tips from some Ol' Ford plant guys still around.
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Duane,
Even some 390 blocks will have the 66/427 casting numbers on the back of the block. This was done by the foundry to lower costs on the core changes for the different castings. These numbers by no means mean anything. What is important are the block casting codes under the passenger side #1 cylinder, bore size, and date code of the block located in front of the oil filter adapter surface. Many 390 and 428 blocks have even the same block casting codes, so the mystery continues. This is why we sonic test every block that comes into are shop to verify what block we are dealing with. If anyone has any doubt, please call me to get more info. Thanks Much, Tom Lucas FE Specialties 916-339-0427 e-mail feguy@msn.com |
It will have the 4 bolt cross bolt bosses inside. You will need to get them drilled and tapped as well as have the block drilled.
427 service blocks and industrial / boat engines were made until at least 1970. |
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Thanks Mike. I suppose it will problably have a 390 crank and rods don't you suppose.
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I think most 427 came with 390 cranks
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I dealt with several of the two bolt industrial 427's in the late 70's and early 80's and they came with a majority of rods from the 390 variety all the way to the Lemans capscrew style. The pistons varied from flattops with bumpers to a nice dish piston. Most of the dish piston engines had been running on propane or some form of natural gas. Most of these two bolt blocks had the casting bosses for sideoilers but were drilled for center oiling. All had the reinforced main webbing and had the bosses for the cross-bolt mains. All the blocks I salvaged ended up going back together as two bolt main blocks and made excellent stroker material back in those days. Didn't mess with converting them to 4 bolt main blocks as for drag or street use it was not deemed necessary.
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