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427 recently rebuilt for $450???
guys,
I work with some good ol' boys from North Louisiana. One of them has a "cuzin" that has a "recently re-built" Ford 427 side oiler for sale for $450 bucks. He says he's had it for years and "aint no'one buyin' it" am I missing something here? did I just run across one of those probervial dream car in the barn deals? are all Ford 427's the same or could this be the one casting that is only worth $450 bucks?? I'm thinking of buying it just to see what it turns out to be. the "cuzin" works at CarQuest auto parts so he gets rebuild kits next to nothing but I would think he would know what he had on his hands.. im confused.**) |
Sounds like an urban legend, to me!:JEKYLHYDE
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Go to a bookstore, and buy a book on casting numbers. That will tell you what it is.........
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It does seem hard to believe. We're calling the cousin tonight to get numbers off the case. maybe pictures.
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Buy it if it has screw in freeze plugs!
That's a sure sign it's a sideoiler or a later center oiler.
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It could be a 427. I bought one last year on a deal like that. Jim
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Dont be too excited when you call him. Offer him $400 to take it off his hands. :)
What did you say his phone number was ? Dave |
I'd think a real sideoiler would have easily sold for $450. Even just the block. Sure he didn't drop a "0" off the end of that price? For sure tho worth the time looking into it. FWIW lots of FE blocks have the rear bulkhead mold of the sideoiler cast into them. This carries the "66-427" cast into the block as well as the blank rear oil galley/releif valve boss. Guys confuse this with the real deal all the time. Easy to understand if someone does not know lots about the oddities of the FE. As it is cast right into the block. Well let us know how you do and I hope it is a real sideoiler!!!!
G. |
I'm a good ole boy from central Louisiana, want me to check it out for ya??????????:LOL: :LOL: course when I find it is a real 427, I'll have to take it home with me and tell you is was just an old 390 block!!!!!!!!:LOL: :LOL: :D :D
What's his # again????? David |
The old saying, "If it's too good to be true, it probably is." always applies. But just in case check out the numbers on the block, heads and manifold. It would be good if you could check out the bottom end, too. If it is a "real" one, buy it, then I'll give you $1,000 for it.:3DSMILE:
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Are you are looking for a reason to justifiy purchasing a real 427 for $450.00?? Lets say it's NOT a real 427, maybe a garden variety 352,390,406 etc (FE). Is it worth $450? If it is recently rebuilt, of course it is. If it turns out to be a 427 you hit paydirt. I'd beat a fast track over to the Cuzz's barn and find out if there is an engine or a rebuild kit that is being "Back Doored". Better yet have David go look for you, he'd know what he was looking at!
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casting numbers gentlemen
casting numbers as promised
Heads C7je-6090-a Motors ,rear Of Block 66-427, Side Of Block 12-dif |
does the (a) indicate marine use? what location is the 12 for?
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You'd be surprised at the "barn finds" still out there........a couple of years ago a buddy was going thru a storage shed in an old country junk yard and came home with a short-block 427 for 200 bucks, probably could have got it for less, but he made the first offer and the old guy took it..........that very same engine went thru a rebuild and was stroked and now resides in a 9 second late model drag race mustang................
I've seen all kinds of stuff over the years......at a nearby junkyard there are 2 hemis sitting side by side, one is a 392 cu in (I think that's the right cu in for the early hemis) and the other is ???? cu in, but the original valve covers say "DESOTO" on them, both engines are complete from water pump to flywheel and carb to oil pan....thankfully they are stored in a shed out of the weather......... David |
Those are 427 marine heads. It could be the 300hp 427 marine. The 12 DIF you see really means nothing important. DIF is the foundry it was cast at..Dearborn Iron Foundry. The 66-427 may or may not mean it's a 427 as I said above. If it is a marine 427 it will have brass screw in freeze plugs. Watch if the block has been run in salt water most of it's life. These ran in both open and close loop systems so it could be either if it's a marine engine. Another thing to watch is the rotation of the crank as marine engines also used reverse rotation in twin screw yachts. The oil slinger grooves on the rear of the crank are machined in the opposite direction. This can cause a rear main seal leak when used in standard rotation applications. I'd ask for good pics of the engine. You'd want to see the crossbolt mains if it was a 427 or ask him anyway??
G. |
great info, thank you for taking the time. it probably came out of some old shrimp boat.
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I should also mention both topoilers and sideoilers were used in marine production. The blocks for the most part were cast as sideoilers but drilled for topoiling. While the majority was topoilers there were some sideoilers used in boats too. The marine topoilers won't have the rear sideoiler galley plugs, or the side and front plugs machined and installed. Some even have the sideoiler galley "hump" as it's called shaved to clear for motor mounts. The sideoiler galley is cast on the left side of the block right above the crossbolts. Easy to spot. Maybe someone can post a pic to show you exactly what that area looks like. And also the rear of the block too. If the block had a crusty saltwater lifestyle it's porous as a sponge possibly. I've seen a few that would make you cry. But that's worst case and you always hope for the best otherwise. It could be a very good deal for you. The C7JE marine heads are actually pretty good.
G. |
Oh those blocks ARE out there and unless your running in the right circle of friends HARD to sell. I mean, WHO would want an old rusty Ford big block from 'back in the day'? Not likely your NIEGHBOR, or even your friends. Sure it has some value, but you have to MARKET it. Like the owner said, "Aint nobody gonna buy it", and he's probably right, at least concerning HIS 'circle of friends', to them, it's just another rusty old Ford motor, no big deal.
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