Club Cobra

Club Cobra (http://www.clubcobra.com/forums/)
-   FE TALK (http://www.clubcobra.com/forums/fe-talk/)
-   -   Phosphor Bronze lifter bores (http://www.clubcobra.com/forums/fe-talk/79009-phosphor-bronze-lifter-bores.html)

Fake Snake 05-17-2007 11:48 AM

Phosphor Bronze lifter bores
 
While this is not strictly an FE question... If one had the option between plain lifter bores & those that have phosphor bronze inserts, what would be the advantages or disadvantages? (Less friction? Shorter life?) Are the bushings a press fit? Is there any trick to replacing these? Are there standard sizes or are they custom made to the application?

Any info would be greatly appreciated.:)
Bill

CobraEd 05-17-2007 01:05 PM

I have heard of phosphor/bronze valve stem inserts, because this is a dry lube environment, but never heard of phosphor/bronze lifter bore inserts. Are you shure you got this right ????


.

ItBites 05-17-2007 01:40 PM

I have run the sleeves you speak of
 
I have run the sleeves you describe in my 427 BBC that is being replaced right now for other reasons.

The reason I installed them was to correct the lifter bore alignment errors intrinsic in factory block machining. It allowed me to square the lifter to the cam as well as locate the bores correctly for proper indexing. I felt this accuracy improvement was needed in order to run the high RPMs I needed from the "little" 427 motor (shift point was 7400 RPM).

The sleeves are pressed and require the overbore to correctly compliment the sleeve OD. There should be no disadvantage in life. If your oiling system is working correctly, there should be only minor (not detectible) reduction in friction. They can be more forgiving if you get a piece of trash in the bore.

Whether they are an advantage to you is more likely a function of your engine's intended operating regime associated with the requirement for correct valvetrain geometry - unless FEs have inherent oiling problems in the lifter area, then the sleeves may reduce the tendency to gall during operation. Someone else can speak to any specific FE issues.

That is all.

CobraEd 05-17-2007 01:41 PM

I found this little article on the "Hot Rod" web site:

Lifter Bores

Lifter-bore problems are rare because most engine designs provide plenty of pressurized oil to prevent excessive wear. When a used block has seen service in a racing application, some engine builders enlarge the lifter bores and install bronze bushings to restrict the flow of oil to the valvetrain so that more of it gets to the crankshaft. This practice is viable in certain racing applications, but on the street it often causes rapid valvetrain wear. If you spot bronze bushings in the lifter bores of a used block, move to the next candidate.

.

ItBites 05-17-2007 01:49 PM

CobraED,

It is much, much more common to use a screw-in oiling restrictor (they are much cheaper to achieve the same goal) to restrict top-end oiling.

Lifter bore sleeves are most commonly used to repair bores damaged during lifter failure. Second most common use is to produce correct valvetrain geometry as I described above.

If you look in the sleeve, you can determine the size of the cross-drilled oil hole. Easy way to tell if the sleeves were installed for restriction purposes.

CobraEd 05-17-2007 01:55 PM

I think you are right. I did a google search and found that article. It seems not to be the norm though.

undy 05-17-2007 03:08 PM

My Pond block came equipped with the prettiest set of bronze bushed lifter bores that I ever saw.. I consider them a big plus-up from the machined aluminum lifter bores.

Fake Snake 05-18-2007 11:12 AM

My Genesis block was equipped with them and I got to thinking about what this meant to performance, life, repare, replacement, etc. Thanks for all the info!
Bill

Bunkie314 05-18-2007 05:29 PM

Bill,

Cast or alloy?


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 05:27 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0
The representations expressed are the representations and opinions of the clubcobra.com forum members and do not necessarily reflect the opinions and viewpoints of the site owners, moderators, Shelby American, any other replica manufacturer, Ford Motor Company. This website has been planned and developed by clubcobra.com and its forum members and should not be construed as being endorsed by Ford Motor Company, or Shelby American or any other manufacturer unless expressly noted by that entity. "Cobra" and the Cobra logo are registered trademarks for Ford Motor Co., Inc. clubcobra.com forum members agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyrighted material is owned by you. Although we do not and cannot review the messages posted and are not responsible for the content of any of these messages, we reserve the right to delete any message for any reason whatsoever. You remain solely responsible for the content of your messages, and you agree to indemnify and hold us harmless with respect to any claim based upon transmission of your message(s). Thank you for visiting clubcobra.com. For full policy documentation refer to the following link: