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Viking Joe 02-13-2009 09:27 AM

In laymens terms the difference is
 
The side oiler oils the rods & mains first then the top of the engine ie valve train.
The regular FE like a 390 or 428 oil the top of the engine first and the rods and mains last and that what has caused many bearing failures at higher RPM.

Also the FE mains are drilled so that once a bearing is installed there can be as much as half the oil hole not matching the hole in the bearing and all FEs should have the oil openings opened up to get full lubricaion to the main bearings.

patrickt 02-13-2009 09:44 AM

For those of you who are really interested...

http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/data/500/oil-01.jpg


http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/data/500/oil-02.jpg


http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/data/500/oil-03.jpg


http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/data/500/oil-04.jpg


http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/data/500/oil-05.jpg


http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/data/500/oil-06.jpg


http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/data/500/oil-07.jpg


http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/data/500/oil-08.jpg

55312 02-13-2009 02:06 PM

Good read!

Thanks

Tim

Bill Bess 02-18-2009 06:39 AM

We're talkin NASCAR motors here, .....not the local stock drag strip machines or street rods.
There are about a kazillion FE motors out there that make great HP and hold up just fine and are not Sideoilers. If you have a legit purpose for a sideoiler...go for it,.... but other than that it's just "pissin rights".
Just my opinon, Old Bill

patrickt 02-18-2009 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Bess (Post 922142)
There are about a kazillion FE motors out there that make great HP and hold up just fine and are not Sideoilers.

And most of the FEs around here are strokers anyway. And most of those are SCATs, and that means they ain't Ford no mo'. They're more Chevy than anything else (mine included).:p

bulletbrown 02-18-2009 08:18 AM

I used the same article in the build last year of my 1967 428 FE , then I put in a 5700 chip in the MSD to play it safe . It works great and had no problems . But I would be verrrrrry afrrrrraid to turn 7000 rpm,s .

patrickt 02-18-2009 08:37 AM

I have a solid cam and a SCAT lower end, along with a rev limiter set at 6400 RPM. I try and shift at just over 6000, as there is no real point in going much over that. But ocassionally I bounce off my rev limiter when I'm not paying careful attention. I have no doubt she would waltz past 7000 if given the chance. FWIW, here are my shift points based on my gear ratios and torque curve.

http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/d...hiftpoints.jpg

tmax5151 02-20-2009 03:30 PM

any one out there can tell me how to tell a 390 from a 427,the engine i have is a 65 with 64 heads 6090 G, the block was cast jan 65 (c5ae) also has a aluminum intake#c3ae-9424-e with chrome valve.

tmax5151 02-20-2009 03:52 PM

differents between 390 from 427

patrickt 02-20-2009 03:54 PM

Look for the cross-bolted mains that a 427 has. Here's a shot:

http://image.mustangandfords.com/f/8...mage_large.jpg

undy 02-21-2009 04:45 AM

As Patrick said, look for the cross bolts (bolt heads) there'll be three of them on each side of the block just above the oil pan rail. If the engine's in the car, jack it up and you should be able to see it from underneath. This'll just indicate whether it's a 427 (could be side oiler or top oiler). Heck it could even be an "cross-bolt" aftermarket mod to a 390 or such too.

Dave

patrickt 02-21-2009 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by undy (Post 923041)
This'll just indicate whether it's a 427 (could be side oiler or top oiler).

It will always be a 390 or something worse. It's only a 427 in fairy tales and other people's posts. If it's yours, it'll be cracked truck block.:p

vladimirpajevic 03-24-2009 12:40 PM

The original racing snakes came with 427 side oilers and cross-bolted main bearings. Occasionally 428 top oilers were used though it was totally different engine. But as Carroll Shelby once pointed, it was pretty hard to find difference between 425 and 475 bph if you were not a racing driver!
Vladimir

DougD 03-24-2009 01:08 PM

common Cobra misconception
 
vladimirpajevic
Yes, the RACING Cobras may have had side-oilers. But the big block Cobra production cars were split roughly into thirds. The first third had center-oilers, the second third had 428s, and the last third had side-oilers.

patrickt 03-24-2009 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DougD (Post 933364)
Yes, the RACING Cobras may have had side-oilers. But the big block Cobra production cars were split roughly into thirds. The first third had center-oilers, the second third had 428s, and the last third had side-oilers.

Uhhh, what about the fourth third?:confused:

DougD 03-25-2009 07:32 AM

1.33?
 
The fourth third? I never did get this new math, anyway.

86Sebring 03-25-2009 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patrickt (Post 923063)
It will always be a 390 or something worse. It's only a 427 in fairy tales and other people's posts. If it's yours, it'll be cracked truck block.:p

yup, don't get too excited when the ad says 427 side oiler:o


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