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David Kirkham 01-20-2011 11:16 PM

Kirkham University Superplastic Forming Coupe Rear Wheel Well
 
Guys,

We have sold so many cars (and attic parts :LOL: ) lately we had to hire 3 new people. My wife is also coming down to help as well. I lured her in with the new gym :3DSMILE:

With the new help around her I have been freed up to do some things I have long been wanting to do. Glenn Reynolds of www.instapundit.com and author of Army of Davids inspired us to start Kirkham University to show the world how we make things. We hope our metal forming and machining knowledge may be of interest and use to others. Many people freely gave of their time to us over the years to help us continually make better products. Now, we want to return the many favors we have received from so many kind people.

Here we show you how we superplastic form the rear wheel well of our new Coupe project. I am happy to answer any questions you may have.

David
:):):)


tkb289 01-20-2011 11:27 PM

David,

Very informative and interesting to watch. What thickness range of aluminum sheet can be formed in your press?

Can large pieces like a hood or roof be formed with this process?

- Tim

LMH 01-20-2011 11:29 PM

Fantastic!
Larry

David Kirkham 01-20-2011 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by tkb289 (Post 1104207)
David,

Very informative and interesting to watch. What thickness range of aluminum sheet can be formed in your press?

Can large pieces like a hood or roof be formed with this process?

- Tim

Very large pieces can be made. This is really just a prototype press. The superplastic forming pricess can form various thickness of aluminum from thick to think.

Forming a hood or roof is no problem...I hope :D

David
:):):)

fordracing65 01-21-2011 03:16 AM

Awesome how old and new technology can come together.

N2VENOM 01-21-2011 12:06 PM

Hey David, you’re looking fit these days! I guess the gym is seeing some action. Thanks for taking the time making these videos. You and your team are a class act.... Darren

David Kirkham 01-21-2011 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by LMH (Post 1104208)
Fantastic!
Larry

Thanks for the kind words. I do appreciate them. I'll post another video today on making a Coupe upper rear quarter panel.

Hopefully, I will be able to post a video of a revived skunkworks project as well. :D

David
:):):)

David Kirkham 01-21-2011 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fordracing65 (Post 1104220)
Awesome how old and new technology can come together.

Thanks for the kind words.

We have always tried to bring the best technologies together to make our cars. In the end it makes a better product for everyone. Superplastic forming really makes nice parts.

David
:):):)

David Kirkham 01-21-2011 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by N2VENOM (Post 1104308)
Hey David, you’re looking fit these days! I guess the gym is seeing some action. Thanks for taking the time making these videos. You and your team are a class act.... Darren

I am working hard in the gym. The best part is my wife has really gotten into the work outs as well. We usually work out twice a day together. She is pretty impressive with her determination to crossfit with us.

Yesterday we climbed the rope 4 times and then did bench, hand stand push ups, and 15 minutes of cardio (jump rope, bicycle, and treadmill). That's a long way from climbing 5 feet up the rope the first time :LOL: Sandwich even joined us yesterday. It is contagious.

We start on your dream machine in the next couple of days. We will post video of that as well.

David
:):):)

CobraV8 01-21-2011 12:48 PM

When I heard about this process for the first time about 7 years ago my initial idea was to use it for forming Cobra body parts ;)

What aluminum alloys do you use? How do you heat up the sheets? Also how is the pressure tight seal achieved at 900°F?

Simon

David Kirkham 01-21-2011 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CobraV8 (Post 1104317)
When I heard about this process for the first time about 7 years ago my initial idea was to use it for forming Cobra body parts ;)

What aluminum alloys do you use? How do you heat up the sheets? Also how is the pressure tight seal achieved at 900°F?

Simon

There are many different alloys that can be used. 5083 is the best. There are some very fine grain structure alloys that work quite well, but they are most difficult (and expensive) to find.

We have also used 6061 (OK) and 5052 (pretty good). The sheets have such small thermal mass compared to the dies the sheet heats up very quickly. The dies in most presses are brought to temperature by heated platens. The seal is achieved by massive tonnage and very careful design of the sealing surfaces--and good machining practices.

David
:):):)

David Kirkham 01-21-2011 12:56 PM

More superplastic forming.

Aluminum is a very cool material that exhibits "superplastic" forming characteristics at temperature. The superplastic temperature window is quite large. In the superplastic range aluminum stretches many times more than it will do while cold. Titanium also possesses superlastic forming characteristics. Many parts in the Aerospace industry (especially titanium parts) are made this way.

2004 is another aluminum superplastic alloy. It is used for high strength parts.

I love manufacturing!

David
:):):)

CobraV8 01-24-2011 11:34 AM

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Very interesting David. The body panels will have excellent mechanical properties, also this will save quiet some work for the surface finish compared to hammered parts.

I did a little experimenting some years ago and I also found the aluminum alloys with a high magnesium content worked best. When you hit the right temperature the aluminum can be formed like clay (see attached picture).

David Kirkham 01-24-2011 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CobraV8 (Post 1104907)
Very interesting David. The body panels will have excellent mechanical properties, also this will save quiet some work for the surface finish compared to hammered parts.

I did a little experimenting some years ago and I also found the aluminum alloys with a high magnesium content worked best. When you hit the right temperature the aluminum can be formed like clay (see attached picture).

We have been doing research on superplastic forming for many years now. Yes, this will save quite a bit of time when it comes to assembling and polishing the cars. The panels will be much nicer too.

David
:):):)

tcrist 01-24-2011 06:57 PM

David,

How do you get your final shape out of the blank you formed? Another stamping press, a 6 axis 3D laser, ?

David Kirkham 01-24-2011 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tcrist (Post 1105022)
David,

How do you get your final shape out of the blank you formed? Another stamping press, a 6 axis 3D laser, ?

Bandsaw. We make the die with cut lines in it.

David
:):):)


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