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RodKnock 11-16-2015 04:49 PM
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RodKnock 11-16-2015 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by bmwfahrer (Post 1371623)
From this thread and others, I've gathered that the Kirkhams are up to a couple hundred pounds lighter than others, can anybody offer a detailed breakdown of how? Their website says the following, but is not specific on how:

"Weight: From over 2400 pounds for a car with original style suspension, brakes, differential, top loader, 427 FE with iron block and heads to less than 2000 pounds with all of our lightweight options and an aluminum engine."

The ERA website, meanwhile, quotes 2600 for an Fe FE. I'd be curious to know if there's info like "alu frame saves XX, suspension bits ABC save YY," etc. I've done some thread searching, but not found many definitive numbers.
The ERA has a fiberglass body, the Kirkham body is aluminum and besides the billet aluminum suspension, the Kirkham comes with aluminum differential housing. My Kirkham weighed in around 2,100-2,150 lbs and that was years ago. I'm sure the Kirkhams have worked more of their magic since 2007.

I don't think I can recall an exact piece-by-piece weight comparison of a Kirkham versus another manufacturer.

mrmustang 11-16-2015 04:56 PM
Can I ask why you did not start a new thread instead of resurrecting one that was last posted on 03-17-2008, at 09:51 AM :rolleyes:


Quote:
Originally Posted by bmwfahrer (Post 1371623)
From this thread and others, I've gathered that the Kirkhams are up to a couple hundred pounds lighter than others, can anybody offer a detailed breakdown of how? Their website says the following, but is not specific on how:

"Weight: From over 2400 pounds for a car with original style suspension, brakes, differential, top loader, 427 FE with iron block and heads to less than 2000 pounds with all of our lightweight options and an aluminum engine."

The ERA website, meanwhile, quotes 2600 for an Fe FE. I'd be curious to know if there's info like "alu frame saves XX, suspension bits ABC save YY," etc. I've done some thread searching, but not found many definitive numbers.

bmwfahrer 11-16-2015 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by fordracing65 (Post 1371626)
The billet suspension is where the weight savings is over stock or original suspension, and other billet accessories...
Ok, that makes sense. Maybe the ERA site is quoting the Jag suspension in their 2600 lbs instead of their modified subframe.
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Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1371632)
The ERA has a fiberglass body, the Kirkham body is aluminum and besides the billet aluminum suspension, the Kirkham comes with aluminum differential housing. My Kirkham weighed in around 2,100-2,150 lbs and that was years ago. I'm sure the Kirkhams have worked more of their magic since 2007.

I don't think I can recall an exact piece-by-piece weight comparison of a Kirkham versus another manufacturer.
Thanks for the rundown. Looks like the ERA body is about 350 total, but I can't find much on the Kirkham one. By comparison, CF is about 50 lbs.

Edit: looks like the Kirkham one is about 50 as well. Now I'm wondering if ERA's 350 is an apples-to-apples comparison or if it includes any frame pieces. Their site says "The average weight of a fiberglass replica body with interior panels can exceed 600 lbs." (ERA's is about 350 lbs)."
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Originally Posted by mrmustang (Post 1371633)
Can I ask why you did not start a new thread instead of resurrecting one that was last posted on 03-17-2008, at 09:51 AM :rolleyes:
Sure. If you post a new thread when another one with the same topic exists, some people come out and say "Thread already exists here, search." I figure it's better to thread bump than to start a new one, because this way the information is all contained in the same place. Is it etiquette here to start new or bump?

RodKnock 11-16-2015 10:03 PM
Since the Larry Ellison Kirkham Cobra build several years ago, for which Kirkham developed a plethora of billet aluminum parts, including offering billet aluminum brake calipers, the weight reduction has been ongoing. The billet aluminum brake callpers may be one of the upgrades I'll be thinking about if and when my Kirkham goes back home to the factory.

fordracing65 11-16-2015 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1371655)
Since the Larry Ellison Kirkham Cobra build several years ago, for which Kirkham developed a plethora of billet aluminum parts, including offering billet aluminum brake calipers, the weight reduction has been ongoing. The billet aluminum brake callpers may be one of the upgrades I'll be thinking about if and when my Kirkham goes back home to the factory.
What year did they get billet calipers

mrmustang 11-17-2015 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by bmwfahrer (Post 1371645)
Is it etiquette here to start new or bump?
You seem to have missed THIS FAQ post entitled "Newbies Read This"

When a thread is this old, some of the original participants may no longer be here, or with us in some cases. As such, a new thread would be in order, like this:

"I was reading THIS old post on weights and had an additional question"


In that way you have quoted the source, while asking for additional information to expand on it without dredging up an ancient thread in the process.

patrickt 11-17-2015 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by bmwfahrer (Post 1371645)
Ok, that makes sense. Maybe the ERA site is quoting the Jag suspension in their 2600 lbs instead of their modified subframe.
The ERA, with an iron big block, but with all aluminum accoutrements, and the outboard braked rear, is going to be just about 2500 lbs. with a little bit of gas in the tank and the trunk empty. I don't think it's possible to get the weight down to some of the Kirkham numbers but, for most of us, it doesn't really matter.:cool:

bmwfahrer 11-17-2015 12:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1371655)
Since the Larry Ellison Kirkham Cobra build several years ago, for which Kirkham developed a plethora of billet aluminum parts, including offering billet aluminum brake calipers, the weight reduction has been ongoing. The billet aluminum brake callpers may be one of the upgrades I'll be thinking about if and when my Kirkham goes back home to the factory.
I read about that build, fascinating engineering, and I'm glad that some of the processes trickled down. This must have been the impetus for a lot of that 200 lb weight savings. Do you know how much your car weighs?
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Originally Posted by mrmustang (Post 1371667)
You seem to have missed....
In that way you have quoted the source, while asking for additional information to expand on it without dredging up an ancient thread in the process.
Good points, mea culpa. I'd read that thread a while ago, but that piece slipped my mind. Thanks for pointing that out.
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Originally Posted by patrickt (Post 1371676)
The ERA, with an iron big block, but with all aluminum accoutrements, and the outboard braked rear, is going to be just about 2500 lbs. with a little bit of gas in the tank and the trunk empty. I don't think it's possible to get the weight down to some of the Kirkham numbers but, for most of us, it doesn't really matter.:cool:
Ok, so the aluminum parts in the ERA save you about 100, then you could also go with an aluminum engine and some other bits to shave a bit more.

Summing this up, it looks like the Kirkham saves ~150 on the body vs the glass cars, and then the billet alu suspension, brakes, and other accoutrements account for another 100-200, depending on how extensivily those are implemented.

patrickt 11-17-2015 12:26 PM
When I say "all aluminum" on the ERA, that means, mostly, the engine. Intake, heads, water pump, flywheel, etc. should be aluminum to shave the weight. Short of tossing off one, or both, of my roll bars, there is very little I could do to lighten my 2500 lb. weight. Going to an aluminum block would be it. But remember, that's pretty much what the street 427 Cobras weighed back in the day.

RodKnock 11-17-2015 02:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bmwfahrer (Post 1371723)
I read about that build, fascinating engineering, and I'm glad that some of the processes trickled down. This must have been the impetus for a lot of that 200 lb weight savings. Do you know how much your car weighs?
My Kirkham weighs 2,138 lbs according to my paperwork and my Kirkham was delivered in late 2007. I've heard that the weight now is closer to 2,000 lbs, but that's speculative on my part.

The billet aluminum calipers are an option, I'm sure an expensive option, not standard AFAIK.

DanEC 11-17-2015 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by patrickt (Post 1371725)
When I say "all aluminum" on the ERA, that means, mostly, the engine. Intake, heads, water pump, flywheel, etc. should be aluminum to shave the weight. Short of tossing off one, or both, of my roll bars, there is very little I could do to lighten my 2500 lb. weight. Going to an aluminum block would be it. But remember, that's pretty much what the street 427 Cobras weighed back in the day.
Well, unless you are ERA2076.

http://www.clubcobra.com/forums/era-...ye-kansas.html

He's building a small block but I think he anticipates getting down to pretty close to 2000 lbs - and chassis/suspension wise ERA FIAs are pretty much same as the 427 models.

Bernica 11-17-2015 03:53 PM
I guess if you are totally into cutting weight, there is always a carbon fiber body. If I recall, the entire body including doors weighs less than 20lbs!:eek:

fordracing65 11-17-2015 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Bernica (Post 1371755)
I guess if you are totally into cutting weight, there is always a carbon fiber body. If I recall, the entire body including doors weighs less than 20lbs!:eek:
I'm sure we all could loose 100 pounds by going on a diet...

cobrakiwi 11-17-2015 05:15 PM
Great thread, thanks for finding it and asking your questions, I was trying to find this info (weights) a few day's ago.
My last Kirkham was at 2200 lbs, 427 side oiler, tko 600 with fuel.
It will be interesting to see what my new build will come in at.

patrickt 11-17-2015 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DanEC (Post 1371753)
Well, unless you are ERA2076.
Until a car travels at least once around the block, under its own power, it doesn't count.:cool:

bmwfahrer 11-17-2015 07:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by patrickt (Post 1371725)
When I say "all aluminum" on the ERA, that means, mostly, the engine. Intake, heads, water pump, flywheel, etc. should be aluminum to shave the weight. Short of tossing off one, or both, of my roll bars, there is very little I could do to lighten my 2500 lb. weight. Going to an aluminum block would be it. But remember, that's pretty much what the street 427 Cobras weighed back in the day.
Thanks for the clarification. It's tough to get true apple-apple numbers, so that's useful to get those. Either way, it's a powerful car at a comparatively light weight when you consider that a new Corvette or M3 comes in 1000 lbs heavier.

RodKnock 11-17-2015 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by fordracing65 (Post 1371765)
I'm sure we all could loose 100 pounds by going on a diet...
Ya, I hope those seeking weight reductions for their Cobra have looked down and are able to see their feet. That would be my 1st cut at weight reduction. ;)

Dimis 11-17-2015 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1371802)
Ya, I hope those seeking weight reductions for their Cobra have looked down and are able to see their feet. That would be my 1st cut at weight reduction. ;)
Too Easy with a polished Kirkham. ;)

Ps. There's nothing wrong with being an overweight weight weenie. :cool:

RodKnock 11-17-2015 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Dimis (Post 1371805)
Ps. There's nothing wrong with being an overweight weight weenie. :cool:
If you ignore the myriad of health issues that can develop because of being overweight. ;)


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