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Excaliber 01-28-2010 10:44 AM
Conservative Movement vs Liberal Movement
 
Conservatism, like Liberalism, is a style of thought. There are certain values each hold dear, it's a way of looking at life and politics.

The conservative movement is different, it is a political movement. It demands obedience, and is harsh on those who do not follow the "party line." This is pseudo fascism. The basic tenants are strictly enforced. Those who express a view contrary to their "popular opinion" are quickly identified as "Liberal". In the conservative movements view you are either with them or against them, there is no middle ground. No room for independent thought.

Essentially there is no "Liberal Movement." There is a loose knit group of people with varying ideals, varying goals, varying outlooks on life. Some may be Independents, Democrats or Republicans. They make up a much larger percentage of the American population than the "conservative movement" would have you believe.

It is more important than ever for those with opposing views toward the pseudo fascists to make their voice heard. At the risk of being labeled a "Liberal" do not be afraid to be an "Independent".

turnpike boy 01-28-2010 12:15 PM
Mmm, boy!
 
Pass the joint, Ex!

I suppose we all fool ourselves to one extent or another. :)

jolsen42 01-28-2010 01:23 PM
Ex, the mind is a terrible thing to waste. How do you come up with your material? Facts don't seem to mean anything to you. :LOL: The % is actually double conservative to liberal. John O

http://www.gallup.com/poll/120857/co...cal-group.aspx

Black Mamba 01-28-2010 01:53 PM
Amen brother, but remember, you can't teach a pig to sing!

Side note: When I opened this thread it was ironic to see the "sponsored link" is to Ann Coulter!!!!

RAZOR 01-28-2010 01:59 PM
You get an F for effort:rolleyes:. Too bad reality does not back any of the statement. The reality is that the left demands the goose step in thought and action.

In Holland a man is presently on trial for being critical of the Koran. certainly not a bastion of conservative thought. All left wing governments i.e.China, Cuba, USSR, limit freedom of speech, press, and religion. Its the liberals in this country that want the Fairness Doctrine to limit free speech, its the liberal in this country that promote hate crime legislation that must go into the mind of a person to decide their motive. It the liberal in this country that wants to limit free exercise of religion.

So the hypothesis you posted is just another LIBERAL thought that is not grounded in reality.

Excaliber 01-28-2010 02:24 PM
Not all conservatives are in "goose step" with the conservative "movement" (like a bowel movement :) ), two different things. And THAT is the point!

Excaliber 01-28-2010 02:41 PM
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40% of Americans interviewed in national Gallup Poll surveys describe their political views as conservative, 35% as moderate, and 21% as liberal.
Out of those three identified groups there is the dark side, the "movement". The loud, obnoxious pseudo fascists that demand ALL within those three groups see it their way, or the highway. A few of the later might even be found among this humble forum! :)

56% don't even claim to be conservative, let alone a member of the conservative movement!

SP01715 01-28-2010 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Excaliber (Post 1023321)
Out of those three identified groups there is the dark side, the "movement". The loud, obnoxious pseudo fascists that demand ALL within those three groups see it their way, or the highway. A few of the later might even be found among this humble forum! :)

56% don't even claim to be conservative, let alone a member of the conservative movement!
There is also the "dark side" on the left that consist of socialist and communist that are currently in and around this administration. They call themselves progressives or liberals, and are attemtping to shove their agenda down the throats of the American people. There are some on this forum that I think could be included in this group.;)

Excaliber 01-28-2010 03:16 PM
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...to shove their agenda down the throats of the American people.
One of the more chilling aspects of this new conservative movement is the constant use of "American loyalty". For God and Country, support the troops, freedom and many other terms that any reasonable American would readily accept. But the way these terms are used insinuate that any disagreement with the "movement" call's into question your loyalty to the country, your patriotic duty.

Such was the case with John Kerry, for instance, he was "weak on terror", portrayed as unpatriotic. Bush was the only man capable of "defending our freedom". Such extreme thinking leads to instances of abuse of power, like Abu Ghraib and many other examples. Individuals who question this authority are labeled proggressive, socialist, communist, liberal simply because they offer a more moderate, less radical view.

It is noteworty that there is not ONE Republican currently in office who will boldy identify himself with the conservative movement, the radical right wing, while many quietly embrace it. This is makes the movement particulary insidious, a quietly creeping form of fascism, not yet ready to come into the light.

Excaliber 01-28-2010 03:26 PM
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There is also the "dark side" on the left that consist of socialist and communist that are currently in and around this administration.
Who are these people you speak off? These communists and socialists? When was the last time one of them picked up a gun and shot someone who disagreed with them? Or blew up a Federal building for "God and Country"? Or attacked an abortion clinic and killed a doctor?

There is no "Liberal Movement" but there most certainly is a conservative movement that FOSTERS radical behaviour, violence, hate crimes and crimes against the Federal Government.

jolsen42 01-28-2010 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Excaliber (Post 1023340)
Who are these people you speak off? These communists and socialists? When was the last time one of them picked up a gun and shot someone who disagreed with them? Or blew up a Federal building for "God and Country"? Or attacked an abortion clinic and killed a doctor?

There is no "Liberal Movement" but there most certainly is a conservative movement that FOSTERS radical behaviour, violence, hate crimes and crimes against the Federal Government.
Well the communists and socialists are in the Obama administration. The ones who blew up a Federal building were the heroes of Obama, Bill Ayers and associates. The abortion clinic, well that was an extremest. All the radical behavior is on the left my friend. But then facts don't mean anything to you. :)

John O

Dan40 01-28-2010 07:11 PM
He needs to stick with a 'movement' he is familiar with, the bowel movement. AKA Liberalism.

turnpike boy 01-28-2010 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Excaliber (Post 1023340)
......There is no "Liberal Movement" but there most certainly is a conservative movement that FOSTERS radical behaviour, violence, hate crimes and crimes against the Federal Government.
Don Quixote lives!:rolleyes:

Excaliber 01-28-2010 07:32 PM
Obama was 8 years old when Ayers was active. Sarah P's comment that Obama "pall's around" with terrorists has been analyzed to pieces, it has no basis in fact. But it makes a great sound bite! It is an excellent example of the kind of tactic's the radical right employ. Denigrating those who disagree with them to "terrorist" status.

By the way, for those who are interested Palin will be speaking at the next Tea Party convention in February. She will recieve a $100,000 for doing so. The coverage charge per person is only $550 for attendance. Which pretty much guarantees only the hard core right wingers will show up. Two Republican's currently holding office recently changed their mind and won't be attending after all. Can't blame them. If I was holding office? I wouldn't want to be associated with psudeo fascists either. :)

Google Liberal Movement, you won't find much that relates to this country. Google conservative movement, you will find plenty right here in the good old USA!

Black Mamba 01-28-2010 07:46 PM
Ex, you're beating your head against a wall here.
What has manifested itself is America at it's most defensive incarnation to date. The thought of bipartisan politics will frighten many for fear giving an inch that they had long and hard fought for. Damn the rest of the world and what they may think of us and our thinking, we started the revolution, it belongs to us! Speak out against God and Country and you will be labeled a liberal, a muslim, a traitor to your flag. On the other hand, speak in favor of freedoms and rights and be labeled a right wing conservative. Is there middle ground? Not that I've seen in a while. Honestly I find it disgusting and tragic that we practically go to blows over the differing opinions expressed here. THIS IS WHAT'S KNOWN AS EXTREMISM. Yep, the same BS that causes third world civil wars and tribal feuds, the same crap you hear about between the ****e's and the Sunni's... my God is better then your God - and that's all in reference to the same friggen book, just different interruptions. Is that who we as a nation are becoming and is that who we want to be viewed as, a bunch of whiney children who can't get along and don't want anyone else to play with our toys? Grow up people and learn what give and take is and let's all stop the name calling.

computerworks 01-28-2010 08:17 PM
This one has no hope of going anywhere enjoyable.


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