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J. T. Toad 03-13-2008 04:33 PM

Gore Legit?
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,337710,00.html


baw ha ha... just an audit would do!:LOL:

Ron61 03-14-2008 03:58 AM

Bill,

If they do that the hot air bag will probably get another Nobel Prize for defending the planed against the evil environmental mongers. Why not just have him wear a cape and call himself Super Gore.

Ron :)

427 S/O 03-14-2008 04:43 AM

Nothing would please me more...Al in cour.....t.

Wes Tausend 03-15-2008 12:28 AM

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I'm not sure what a global cooling trend is supposed to mean, Quote: "I think if we continue the cooling trend a couple of more years, the general public will at last begin to realize that they've been scammed on this global-warming thing."

Unless cooling is a local effect. I know it was cold back east this year. It was warm in ND again this winter, as we escaped the usual cold of the '90's. The global average has apparently been warmer.

According to these links we still have overall global warming:
( http://www.usatoday.com/weather/clim...eratures_N.htm )
( http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2007/s2819.htm )

John Coleman doesn't seem to understand how the greenhouse effect works. He doesn't think a little bit of CO2 will make a difference. (Coleman said. "So how can that tiny trace compound have such a significant effect on temperature? "My position is it can't," he continued.) But that's really the whole point of the effects comparison to a greenhouse, how a very thin sheet of glass can trap heat in the entire structure underneath it. Greenhouse glass could be much thinner than it normally is and still work very, very effectively except it would be too fragile.

With glass, one can try an experiment where one faces a warm radiant fireplace and then temporarily shields ones face with a pane of glass. The glass easily allows high frequency visable light through ...but largely blocks lower frequency infrared heat radiation. The difference can be felt on the face as the heat is blocked by the glass.

In a greenhouse, the visable sun light travels through the glass and is reduced in frequency after it strikes a surface. The new lower frequency, which is now merely heat energy, cannot easily re-radiate back out of the glass and is therefore trapped in the greenhouse ...or earth ...as the case may be.

I think Fox news tries so hard to present some alternate views, views that are not generally found in main stream media, that it's especially important to take various info from Fox with a grain of salt. They don't necessarily endorse all the stuff they print ...but they do make an effort to present alternate views to the reader, the reader to make up their own mind, a choice I appreciate.


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427 S/O 03-15-2008 03:29 AM

I applaud John Coleman, he obviously has access to detailed weather history and a great proponent for debunking 'junk science'. How many climatologist do you think he employs?. A few weeks ago some 200 scientist from around the world had gathered to protest the 'global warming' panic/theory and FOX, as I recall, was the only news media to print it!!. Looks like court is the only way to bring all sides together and hammer it out. Something I would really like to see. I suspect they wouldn't use plate glass as an example.

Repeating what I've said, everyone should do their part to keep our planet clean, including me.

J. T. Toad 03-15-2008 09:02 AM

Wes,

I can't buy those links. The NOAA states '"near Average". By what they were stating 6 months ago, we were a decade off of heat death.

I could easily post just as many links which state the contrary, and how the NOAA data is tainted.

This reminds me of earnings estimate analysts, and their lack of changing reports to prevent their ego from looking tarnish.

This was mainly to show Gore, who has ridden a wave of popularity based on voodoo science in order to elicit a popular fervor which makes him money. His platform is bogus.

There used to be access to Global monitors to gauge global temperatures, but strangely access was removed about six months ago, maybe a year ago.

www.junkscience.com had historical and real time data which 'claimed' the cooling trend.


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