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cobra bill 10-30-2008 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by jhv48 (Post 893831)
That's what they thought about Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Ghengis Khan, Caesar, etc.
Well I have to tell you Bush and Cheney come closer to that description then Obama, There grab for power was unprecedented in our nation's history, they tortured prisoners, ran gulags spied on Americans removes habitués corpus as well as Posse commutates, and let's not forget the Bush doctoran! this was the biggest assault on the constitution that was ever done in all our history! Not even any of the world wars, or the cold war, was there ever such an assault on the constitution and your boy McCain bought into it all, I think what you all might be afraid of is a democrat asserting those same powers, That's why I feel comfortable voting for Obama, he is a constitutional scholar and will know and respect what it stands for.

Dan40 10-30-2008 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by cobra bill (Post 893840)
Well I have to tell you Bush and Cheney come closer to that description then Obama, There grab for power was unprecedented in our nation's history, they tortured prisoners, ran gulags spied on Americans removes habitués corpus as well as Posse commutates, and let's not forget the Bush doctoran! this was the biggest assault on the constitution that was ever done in all our history! Not even any of the world wars, or the cold war, was there ever such an assault on the constitution and your boy McCain bought into it all, I think what you all might be afraid of is a democrat asserting those same powers, That's why I feel comfortable voting for Obama, he is a constitutional scholar and will know and respect what it stands for.

"There [their] grab for power was unprecedented in our nation's history, they tortured prisoners, ran gulags spied on Americans, etc., etc."

Sorry but that statement is completely incorrect. During WWII, much more liberties and freedoms were put 'on hold' than anything Bush did. [check with the Japanese Americans that had their land and businesses and FREEDOM taken away] Then we were fighting an enemy that wanted to conquer and control us and exploit our territory and resources. The typical historic reason for war. Now we are at war with an enemy that only wants us all DEAD. They don't want our money, they don't want our land, they don't want our people. They want our lives to END.
Yet when the enemy says, "We will kill you all!" The liberals say, "Well let us discuss this." Evidently there is enough insanity to go around.

Dan

MChat 10-30-2008 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by cobra bill (Post 893840)
That's why I feel comfortable voting for Obama, he is a constitutional scholar and will know and respect what it stands for.
Might want to rethink that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck

(In his own words)


And if he's such a "constitutional scholar" then why is he so for preventing the people from their right to bear arms?

MChat 10-30-2008 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by cobra bill (Post 893836)
You know it's not too often I can say this, but I agree with you, though the end of the world never happened when the republicans had full power of all three branches of government, we still survived, and we will again!
The difference is, Republicans (conservatives) are by nature conservative. Meaning they are slow to take action and generally leave things pretty much as they are. When the Reps had control, the biggest complaint against them is that not much "got done."

Democrats, on the other hand, are "progressives" and couldn't leave things alone even if we were living in a complete utopia. With a fillibuster proof majority in the congressional houses and an Obama presidency this country will lose more freedoms in 4 years than it has in the past 232 years combined.

427 S/O 10-30-2008 03:55 PM
So, cobra bill is comfortable with this!!!.........

Repost on ''O'NO!

He knows nothing about the military

He knows nothing about economics

He knows nothing about health care

He knows nothing about taxes

He knows nothing about business

He never held a job where he was required to produce, and be accountable.He knows nothing about the current financial mess

I doubt he knows much about being a 'community organizer'

And, he has a long history of taking advice from radicals.....

NeoConMan 10-30-2008 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by cobra bill (Post 893840)
I feel comfortable voting for Obama, he is a constitutional scholar and will know and respect what it stands for.
The pointy-headed pseudo-intellectuals have applied their scholarly talents and deduced their candidate must be Obama.

No reality involved whatsoever.

Oh, but they are so much more intelligent than us knuckle-dragging Conservatives....

cobra bill 10-30-2008 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan40 (Post 893849)
"There [their] grab for power was unprecedented in our nation's history, they tortured prisoners, ran gulags spied on Americans, etc., etc."

Sorry but that statement is completely incorrect. During WWII, much more liberties and freedoms were put 'on hold' than anything Bush did. [check with the Japanese Americans that had their land and businesses and FREEDOM taken away] Then we were fighting an enemy that wanted to conquer and control us and exploit our territory and resources. The typical historic reason for war. Now we are at war with an enemy that only wants us all DEAD. They don't want our money, they don't want our land, they don't want our people. They want our lives to END.
Yet when the enemy says, "We will kill you all!" The liberals say, "Well let us discuss this." Evidently there is enough insanity to go around.

Dan
Point taken in the case of the Japanese, however we would not have an enemy in the Muslim world had we not meddled in the lives, the treaty of Tripoli held for years with the Muslims, when we tried to bring in western culture and Christianity is where they got pissed off. They want us out, that's all.

cobra bill 10-30-2008 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by MChat (Post 893856)
Might want to rethink that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck

(In his own words)


And if he's such a "constitutional scholar" then why is he so for preventing the people from their right to bear arms?
That video had nothing to do with fire arms

cobra bill 10-30-2008 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by MChat (Post 893860)
The difference is, Republicans (conservatives) are by nature conservative. Meaning they are slow to take action and generally leave things pretty much as they are. When the Reps had control, the biggest complaint against them is that not much "got done."

Democrats, on the other hand, are "progressives" and couldn't leave things alone even if we were living in a complete utopia. With a fillibuster proof majority in the congressional houses and an Obama presidency this country will lose more freedoms in 4 years than it has in the past 232 years combined.
You are correct! the republicans want things as they were when the robber barrens rules and slavery was legal, progressives have always strived to make this a better world, granted they often step on there on feet in the attempt but at least we try! and have made great strides, nothing has ever come from conservatives all the great things we enjoy today about our society came from progressives, otherwise we would be working 70 hour weeks making next to nothing no child labor laws no sick time no vacations, it would be indentured servitude for all and only the elite would vote, the women's suffrage movement would never have taken place civil right would never have happened there's a huge list of good things that progressives have done, name one that the conservatives have done to make things better.

cobra bill 10-30-2008 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by NeoConMan (Post 893892)
The pointy-headed pseudo-intellectuals have applied their scholarly talents and deduced their candidate must be Obama.

No reality involved whatsoever.

Oh, but they are so much more intelligent than us knuckle-dragging Conservatives....
Well we already tried stupid for the last 8 years that has not worked out so well has it!

cobra bill 10-30-2008 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 427 S/O (Post 893890)
So, cobra bill is comfortable with this!!!.........

Repost on ''O'NO!

He knows nothing about the military

He knows nothing about economics

He knows nothing about health care

He knows nothing about taxes

He knows nothing about business

He never held a job where he was required to produce, and be accountable.He knows nothing about the current financial mess

I doubt he knows much about being a 'community organizer'

And, he has a long history of taking advice from radicals.....

So what did George Bush now? it never stopped you guys from voting him in.

392cobra 10-30-2008 04:42 PM
It was Republicans that did away with slavery and the Democrats that fought for slavery.

It was again the Republicans that got the Civil Rights Bills thru Congress.

cobra bill 10-30-2008 05:02 PM
I never said Democrats, I said progressives, there was a time when the republicans were progressive, that's changed after the Civil rights bill.

MChat 10-30-2008 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by cobra bill (Post 893901)
That video had nothing to do with fire arms
No, that video had to do with Obama's views on the constitution. Basically he wants to radically alter the meaning of it to give credibility to his "redistribution of wealth" plan.

cobra bill 10-30-2008 05:39 PM
Ha! OK well he was giving his opinions on the constitution, and the court rulings dealing with it, to change the constitution would take a 2/3 majority of the states, listen these guys can't agree on what to have for lunch, how would you ever get enough of them to buy off on what you are suggesting? that's why we never have to worry about losing our guns, or a constitutional amendment to ban abortion or gay marriage, when the republicans had control of all 3 branches of government were they able to do either one of those? NO for the same reason I stated above, back when there were fewer states in the union it may have been possible, that's why there has been no new amendments to the constitution it a very long time.

MChat 10-30-2008 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by cobra bill (Post 893941)
Ha! OK well he was giving his opinions on the constitution, and the court rulings dealing with it, to change the constitution would take a 2/3 majority of the states, listen these guys can't agree on what to have for lunch, how would you ever get enough of them to buy off on what you are suggesting? that's why we never have to worry about losing our guns, or a constitutional amendment to ban abortion or gay marriage, when the republicans had control of all 3 branches of government were they able to do either one of those? NO for the same reason I stated above, back when there were fewer states in the union it may have been possible, that's why there has been no new amendments to the constitution it a very long time.
He doesn't want to actually change the wording of the Constitution, he just wants to use Federal Courts to radically re-interpret the Constitution (effectively radically changing the Constitution) to fit his agenda. And with two Supreme Court Justice positions coming up; he'd be able to do just that beyond his Presidency (if this country can survive 4 years of an Obamination President and Dem controlled congress).

cobra bill 10-30-2008 11:00 PM
Oh I'm sure the world will survive!

turnpike boy 10-31-2008 05:51 AM
Of course it will.

Hell, even the Soviet Union survived communism and Kruschev; Cambodia survived Pol Pot. And Uganda survived Idi Amin.

Not, of course, that an Obama presidency would be quite so horrific as those regimes.

But if you think you're going to enjoy the same levels /standards of independence and liberty that you are used to, there's going to be an unpleasant surprise in store for you. And it won't take a Constitutional Convention to make it happen - simple Executive Orders, unchallenged by a syncophantic Congress, can accomplish those objectives without any sweat involved.

tfalk 10-31-2008 06:45 AM
This is one of the funniest I've seen yet :3DSMILE:

http://i.spotted.augusta.com/user/1/gallery/624121.jpg

cobra bill 10-31-2008 07:39 AM
OK I admit, that the best one I've seen.


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