This is SUCH an excellent thread........
 

....I'd only add my explanation of those earmarks.........have you seen the Obamessiah's freakin' EARS?

Oh......my.....dawg! First and foremost, he definitely is Pinnochio----but he's also DUMBO----and wait 'til he flies over and unloads some more Dumbo "product" on us! That's usually daily, isn't it? Or is it hourly?

Ar-ar-ar-OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-gah!

It seems unAmerican to want him to fail. BUT, EVERYTHING he is doing is just MORE OF THE SAME that caused our problems. And those problems predate Bush1 and Bush 2. They predate me and I'm 67. And they can be laid at the feet of both Red and Blue elected idiots.
The term, "For All" is a death knell for ALL business when attached to a specific.
Attached to intangibles, its OK. Freedom for all, is fine. Opportunity for all, also fine. Equality for all, OK too.

HEALTH CARE for all, a ticking time bomb.
Education for all, tick, tick.
Home ownership for all, tick, tick
Jobs for all, tick, tick.
Social security for all, TICK, TICK

Government involved in business is a disaster that WILL HAPPEN, it may be years, but it is 100% CERTAIN.

The Governments business is running the Government, AFTER, listening to us. They don't do the listening and their "business" is 11 trillion in the RED.
Libs can gripe all the want about Bush adding 5 trillion to the RED. But Bush was only President. Congress spends the money. And Blues had power part of his time and Reds had power part of his time. And the Gov. "business" was 5 Trillion in the RED after BJ Clinton. And Trillions before he wagged his Weiner around the Oval Office.
The blame game is a horse and a horse for about a century. Plenty of blame to go around.

They can only make it worse or get out of the way, let the blood flow, and INDIVIDUAL citizens WILL fix the problem, or we will be finished. Government intervention INSURES we will be finished.

Dan

Good points, Dan.

What I don't understand is as government programs come up, someone always comes up with a 'budget' covering the program which turns out not even close to what it costs down the road, in the billions and trillions. Why do they keep doing it?

Also, cities and states are cutting back - workers are accepting salary cuts, workers are being furloughed, at least in CA. Why is nothing happening at the Fedeal level? I'd guess that if Federal workers were furloughed just a few days per month - tons of money could be saved.

We are so screwed.

Top 10 headlines that could signal a market bottom

1) Obama resigns

I do want him to fail and to fail badly.

I see it as the only way to convince this country's citizens that socialism does not work. We need to return to free-market entrepreneurial capitalism with no government interference , but it will not happen until Obama resigns in disgrace.

I don't like him, wouldn't help him across a street, but if everything fails, and it certainly looks as if he is going out of his way to insure that it will, we will be without a country. If we wait until he resigns, there won't be anything left anyway. I saw on some TV show they were talking to a bunch of people who voted for him and asked them about his stimulus package.Not a single one of those people even knew what a stimulus package was or that he was supposed to have one. Three said they voted for him because he was black but had no idea of what he was doing as they quit following him after the election. As CDC says, "We are so Screwed."

Ron :CRY:

I remain optimistic. This country has survived when all odds were against us (heck, we almost lost WW2). I think this will just be a bump in the road.

Obama's rich and celebrity supporters may loss faith once that they realize that their wealth will be taken from them.
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I believe he will lose the support of the poor uneducated people when they remain desolate and without work for months and months. Perhaps they will learn that businesses provide jobs for them. They may find that business can't provide jobs when their rewards are taken from them.

He never had the support of businessmen.

True - in the end, it's all about jobs. That's the issue relating to BO's stimulus and the new spending law - will they create jobs for the rank and file? Yes, road and state/county level work but that involves a relatively small group of people and it's doubtful that that will bring back constrution and general labor jobs.

Plus, higher tax is in the works - on business and more than just the top 5% to pay for BO's education, energy and health 'vision' for the future. We are screwed.

FOX....

President Obama and Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner received failing grades for their efforts to revive the economy....

49 economists polled by the Wall Street Journal are dissatisfied with the administration's economic policies........

He's simply the wrong man,at the wrong time....

Things will really go bad.....
 

....when, as Margaret Thatcher said: "...the socialists run out of other people's money"!!!!!!

Nonetheless that the Stimulus bill is full of pork and earmarks; it does have some job creation (albeit, I'm glad that I am too old to have to worry about paying that federal debt back at some future time).

There are a few programs that will help certain people that must have had excellent lobbyists in Washington. One program has billions of dollars going to build infrastructure to enable internet connectivity to rural areas. These projects never made business sense before since the revenues would never carry the costs of installation.

I have a friend that owns a company that engineers all of the cable and fiber optic lines that will need to be installed. The engineers that work for him are basically people that have a Master's degree in Electrical Engineering. They will do very well, and they will use labor to dig the ditches that will be required to bury the lines. Of course, they'll hire immigrants to dig those ditches since the "poor" are too lazy to actually work.

Of course, Ayn Rand would cheer the people that work on the projects, but I am sure she would not approve of the government's heavy hand.

Ayn: "My philosophy is the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute".
Atlas Shrugged (1957)

Here is a good summary of the Stimulus and Wealth Redistribution Bill:
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I read stuff like you guys write in this thread......
 

....and it restoreth my faith in America and Americans----we may survive after all.....you guys are great!

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