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elmariachi 05-02-2009 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by misfit41 (Post 945164)
I appreciate the input , I don't posses the gun but would sure like to ,it is a great piece of history and would be a shame to see cut up.It is listed on the curio and relic list but the laws are very hard to decipher . Just trying to find an approiate direction to pursue it if possible. thanks again,Tim K
As stated you need legal advice from somewhere other than here. In my experience and opinion, if its a .30 cal M1 Carbine from the Korean War era, its arguably not a great piece of history and certainly not worth going to jail over. These guns were made by everyone from Saginaw/GM to IBM. Their semi-automatic brothers are all over the gun shows for $500-$700 (in Texas at least.) They are to guns what Yugo was to the car. And a really fast Yugo....is still a Yugo. Its not worth the effort or money to get licensed to own it just to show it off. Now if it were an M14 or an AC223, well that would be a different story. :3DSMILE:

Just my opinion, not that you asked for it.

Cobrabill 05-02-2009 07:25 AM
[quote=misfit41;,batf has the right to come anytime to see the aformentioned weapon which I really don't have a problem with. [/QUOTE]
No,they do not.Having a class III doesnot alter your rights.

Don 05-02-2009 09:04 AM
Knob Creek Gun Range. mentioned as the " Home of the Nation's Largest Machine Gun Shoot & Military Gun Show " has a Forum:

http://www.machinegunshoot.com/index.html

http://www.machinegunshoot.com/shootinfo.htm

Gun Doc 05-02-2009 09:55 AM
Class III NFA weapons ownership can be very complicated. There are not only federal laws to contend with, but state and local laws as well. That said, it is not impossible to legally own an NFA weapon.

A good place to obtain information on owning, using, maintaining and just about everything else concerning these weapons is The Small Arms Review (http://www.smallarmsreview.com/) published by Moose Lake Publishing (Dan Shea). They also publish an ATF/NFA Handbook, which may answer many of your questions.

Gun Doc

misfit41 05-02-2009 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Gun Doc (Post 945396)
Class III NFA weapons ownership can be very complicated. There are not only federal laws to contend with, but state and local laws as well. That said, it is not impossible to legally own an NFA weapon.

A good place to obtain information on owning, using, maintaining and just about everything else concerning these weapons is The Small Arms Review (http://www.smallarmsreview.com/) published by Moose Lake Publishing (Dan Shea). They also publish an ATF/NFA Handbook, which may answer many of your questions.

Gun Doc
Thanks for your help,
This is what I am basing my research on ,the weapon I looked at is listed under section iv on this page .reading makes it appear possible to make this a legal weapon under c&r status.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/curios/1...7/section4.pdf

shae marks 05-20-2009 08:26 AM
Need help from knowledegable class III gun dealer
 
If I Recall Correctly, there no Class III guns: there are Class III
Dealers who are licensed and taxed to deal in NFA Title II guns.
I am sure someone more knowledgable will correct me if I have
any of this wrong:

US machinegun laws are very restrictive and complicated.
That is, restrictive and complicated for the law-abiding.

Read More

RonNichols 05-20-2009 02:24 PM
Another way to think of it is if 50 million people owned machineguns illegally, they won't do anything about it and end up with amnesty. Kinda like being an illegal alien.:3DSMILE:

N. Cognito

Dwight 05-20-2009 07:02 PM
class III
 
There are about 221,000 transferable machine guns that individuals may own. You have to pay a one time $200 tax, pass a FBI background check (fingerprint cards), fill out the IRS/ATF paperwork and get the local sheriff to sign your paperwork. All other machine guns that are used by the governments, police, etc usually are not transferable to individuals. There are three groups of machine guns, four if you count the illegal ones. One group is a class III weapon that is transferred between dealers, class II manufacturers and government agencies (police departments, etc) and cannot be transferred to individuals.
In Alabama if an individual can legally purchase a pistol he can buy a transferable machine gun.

Dwight

lovehamr 05-20-2009 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Dwight (Post 951015)
In Alabama if an individual can legally purchase a pistol he can buy a transferable machine gun.
This is the sticking point for TK; IF the 1919 has never been in the system and IF it can't be C/R then it MAY NOT be transferable. The devil is in the details here.

Steve
TK, I'm still waiting for a call but I'll rattle their cages tomorrow and see what's up.

FWB 05-20-2009 07:47 PM
a 1919, is legal if you make the right side plate disappear. then its a non-gun.

Jamo 05-20-2009 08:04 PM
Moved to the Lounge...


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