You must be one happy sumb*tch then.:rolleyes:

The seeds of freedom...
 

I just love this kind of thinking...STATES RIGHTS.... IMHO the best thing that has happened in the last 50 years was the break up of the Soviet Union. Perhaps, just perhaps, this is one of those perfect storms when a combination of economic collaspe and the recognition of the right of self determination could lead to a peaceful breakup of the US. As I understand it States on both ends of the political spectrum (Vermont and Texas) have Separatists Movements. Everyone would benefit, the whole world would benefit. The cultural and value differences between the Red and Blue States is a bridge too far. I the more Iearn about the Civil War the more I am convinced that it was a tragic mistake and we have all suffered as a result of a hopeless attempt to preserve the Union. I know people say Texas is not big enough for a country and to big for an asylum but I believe they are wrong on both counts. Come Texas, show us the way !!! :eek:

First the obligatory disclaimer: I am a firm believer in every adult law-abiding citizen having the right and the means and the fortitude to defend himself/herself and his/her family and property.

Freddy, you say that like it is such a good thing. Why?? What is so great about a huge proliferation of unregistered, untraceable guns? I am very familiar with the RKBA issue, so I understand the depth of meaning and emotion that goes along with it, but what I can't get is the black and white polarization - or "us vs. them", all or nothing approach - that many 2A proponents seem to foster.

Can there not be a collaborative approach between good people and the authorities to find common ground on a sensible way to allow responsible, law abiding adult citizens to exercise their 2A rights while making it as difficult as possible for folks who don't fit that description to posess a gun? I know and agree that gun laws only **directly** affect those who obey the law but there is a deterrent effect and they also make it just that much more difficult for someone of ill-intent who isn't a connected hardcore crook or gang banger to just run out and pick up a few guns and some ammo. The "cooling off" effect of a reasonable due process or wait period may deter a non gun-owner from spontaneously buying a gun to blow away someone who just porked his wife, "disrespected" him or pissed him off in a basketball game.

I also understand that many feel resistering their guns is just a first step towards locating and confiscating them as it seems to have happened in other countries. But bear in mind that none of those countries had a guaranteed right to gun ownership in their constitutions, AND the acknowledged reality that it would be political suicide for any administration to attempt to ban gun ownership in the USA. How many crimes have been solved and criminals brought to justice because the history of a gun was traceable due to the registration process? Is it possible to reasonably factor into the equation the possible benefits of some sensible gun control measures?

PS; Yeah yeah, I know already - "Gun control is being able to drop a running liberal at 50 yards.":LOL::LOL::LOL:

EDIT - PPS; When we finish flogging this one to death, we can deal with "9mm vs. .45" and "open carry vs. concealed." lol!

Buzz,

I wonder about the Montana law also. I have no problems with the 15 day waiting period we have here while they supposedly do a background check. I am sure since the following episode happened the state has started doing it correctly.
A few years back some guy from New York, not sure if it was the city or state, came out here to the L.A. area and bought a gun from a dealer. He waited the mandatory 2 weeks or 15 days and went in and got the gun. A short time later he killed a person back in New York with it during a robbery I believe it was. The police there ran the gun through the data base and it never came up. So they traced it back from the manufacturer and to the store that sold it. Asked the L.A. police to check into why that dealer had sold a gun to an out of state felon. They checked and the dealer was cleared of any wrong doing. He took all the information the guy gave and sent it in to the state to verify. He got back an all clear statement and let the guy have the gun. When they started to try to find out why the state had given him a clearance, it turned out his address was a run down motel, he had only stayed there 2 nights and left, the state had no record of him being a felon, and could never explain how they cleared him and accepted his being a resident of this state. Just one of those fell through the crack things. This information was sent to all of the people involved in gun classes and training back at that time. If he had removed the serial numbers and any markings from the gun in a way they couldn't trace it, they would never have known it was bought out here. I have to renew my permit every 2 years and they take my finger prints every time though they are on record for a number of reasons.
Now there are a lot of unregistered guns in this area as all of the dope dealers and thugs have them, and if you have enough money you can buy about anything including a machine gun or military equipment. So to just open up sales of guns to anyone that wants one with no checks of any kind I don't agree with. But the checks aren't going to stop the bad guys from having guns.

Ron ;)

You beat me to it Fred.


NOTHING ABOUT COLUMBINE WAS FUNNY. NOT ONE SINGLE DAMNED THING. It would not be funny if it happened again and the damned guns had made in or by Mattel, made in China, Montreal, Hecho in Mexico, Thailand of BFE either.

Maybe if you had lost a child in Columbine your dumb-ass statement would be re-worded to be a little more less self centered.


If you have a gun collection I am happy for you. I have one to, big f-ing deal most people in Texas have at least one... collection.


Note To Moderator:
Sorry for the rant, A hell of a lot of innocent children were killed in Columbine.



BTW:
This was not directed to you Fred, I think you know that.

Steve,

Though Columbine was the start, it seems that the press who I blame for a lot of this, has made school shooting almost a normal thing. With all of their coverage, they make every border line kid that wants a few moments of fame look at that and say, boy I can get on TV. There is nothing at all funny about any shooting no matter how many or the cause, even in self defense. That taking of a human life, even if you are defending yourself is not something to take lightly as so many seem to. And yes, if I was forced into a position where I had no other choice I would shoot a person but I am not sure how well I could live with it later on. We just had 3 teen agers here that beat an old man to death for, Quoting the 18 year old here, " We wanted to have some fun so we decided to kill a bum." One walked up in front of him and the other two came up behind him with an iron bar and oak table leg and smashed his head in. They are still talking about what a rush it was, and now the police have found out they were involved in the beating of another teen a few weeks ago. Now that is a sad state of affairs when you have to have 3 in great shape teens gang up and use stuff like that and kill an old man just for fun. Also as a side thought, he was a Vietnam war vet and had won a couple of medals but just couldn't adjust to the normal way of life like so many can't after they served there.

Ron :(

Texas style - "They needed shootin'..."
 

"They're out here tearin' up the levee so I shot them". Poster children for the anti gun movement.
http://www.foxnews.com/images/531797..._gaylemuhs.jpg

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,519631,00.html

My new burgler system.:)

http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/d...ler_System.jpg

The police can only find the people that already have attacked you.

I like the idea of "me" being able to "prevent" the crime with one of my guns.

I never could understand the anti-gun people, they never see the guns they don't like! What do they do, dream about the guns I own?

E

I am certainly for Gun Rights but this whole thing really isn't about Guns...It is about State's Rights that the Progressives how slowly taken over at the Federal level.
Montana & Texas are saying enough already,back off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHwPHvkrGrg

(05-10) 04:00 PDT Helena, Mont. -- Montana is trying to trigger a battle over gun control - and perhaps make a larger point about what many folks in this ruggedly independent state regard as a meddlesome federal government.

"It's a gun bill, but it's another way of demonstrating the sovereignty of the state of Montana," said Democratic Gov. Brian Schweitzer, who signed the bill.

Under the new law, guns intended only for Montana would be stamped "Made in Montana." The drafters of the law hope to set off a legal battle with a simple Montana-made youth-model single-shot, bolt-action .22 rifle. They plan to find a "squeaky clean" Montanan who wants to send a note to the ATF threatening to build and sell about 20 such rifles without federal dealership licensing.

If the ATF tells them it's illegal, they will sue and take the case all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court, if they can.

Similar measures have also been introduced in Texas and Alaska.

"I think states have got to stand up or else most of their rights are going to be buffaloed by the administration and by Congress," said Texas state Rep. Leo Berman.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...MN4V17BCF2.DTL

Lord I like this thread.

I have read it three times and it gets better and better each time.

Land is pricey in Montana.

:D

Its well within the states' rights to do this, I have to wonder how much it will affect the movement in and out of the states that try it, the feds can set up border check points, while just a minor inconvenience it could disturb normal commerce. I do believe though background checks are still appropriate, if for no other reason than to keep them out of the hands of the mentally ill.
A side note on that topic, were you aware that the government for a number of years now, has been compiling a list of people that are prescribed drugs for mental health issues, and this alone is enough to get you rejected from buying a weapon.

"Texas can do without the U.S., but the U.S. can't do without Texas" - Sam Houston

Still true today.:cool:

Texas created more jobs last year than the other 49 States combined.

Think the folks in Texas aren't serious about keeping harm at bay?

This is the scene from any gun store pistol ammo isle. Been this way for the past six to eight weeks:

http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/d...1653764634.jpg

Its like that all over. Even the big online ammo dealers are mostly sold out of SD ammo in the popular calibers. I'm in the process of choosing a 1911 in .38 Super (likely gonna be an STI Trojan or Eagle) and even that relatively unpopular (but awesome with the right loads) caliber is selling out.

Some suggest that the major distributors are milking the situation, creating temporary artificial shortages to play on paranoid gunnies' fears that Oblammah is commin' to git their guns and ammunition. This perpetuates a wave of panic bulk buying and hoarding that only benefits the sellers.

Hey!!!!

Texas can not take all of the credit.

"Michigan got rid of more jobs than all the other 49 states combined."

Michigan had to do it's part to provide low wage autoworkers to the rest of the country.

Just a bit of humor.

:D :D :D

Fred,

That is the way the ammo shelves over at the range have looked the past month or so. I am going to try to get them to put me on a list so if they can ever get any more like I prefer to use in, they will hold it for me.

Ron