cycleguy55 I agree but let's not open that door per lounge rules as it will surely spin out of control along partisan lines
mrmustang, I agree with the end state on where we're headed, but I wouldn't lay this on my parents so much or their parents at all. You can't fix what you don't know is broken. The data is relatively new regarding global ecosystem impacts. No question the beginning of all this really started with the industrial revolution.
What more really needs to be said - nothing unless you are trying to change some minds which is also likely futile
