[Karl Bebout]

Hi Joyridin, My fleep-o-cheepo Harbour Freight pliers have done the job for me, just fine. Mo binding, no letting go. Let me use the money I saved for something else, like maybe copious amounts of gasoline?

No doubt, if I were a pro, and used tools to make my living, I would then feel compelled to buy much higher quality tools than the "off shore" crapola some of the stufff HF sells.