[zzmac]

All retrieval attempts have been through the lower rad hose opening. :-)

I put a digital scope in there and i’ve been able to see it and it looks like it’s stuck in a corner. It’s one thing seeing it and another thing getting it out. I’m going to play around with it some more.

If I decide to take the rad out I understand it has to come out thru the bottom of the car. If so, how high does the car need to be. If higher than jack stands I’m going to have to get better with the scope.