[Turk]

Klayfish,
We don't see eye to eye on this for few reasons. The attempts may have more credibilty if there were some promises from some, or even ONE insurance company that they would do this or that if we did this or that.

For DV or yourself to take it upon yourself to form an organization on the premise that we may voluntarily join if we wanted to because it will do us good is unbelievable.

What clout do you guys think you will have with my insurance company here in California, because there is an Ohio based Cobra Association?

Who decided all this.
Did we all vote and appoint someone to act on our behalf?

Is DV or you the best qualified persons to do this? I know I am NOT.We have lawyers, politicians and folks of different skill levels within this group.How come thier talents are not solicited.
Last I heard DV's lawyer was looking into this. What type of law does DV's lawyer specialize in?

No one got polled, no one chose any leaders and here we are taking the opportunity upon death of another Cobra owner to float the same old thing.

When you talk about National organizations of any sort, it should have some more of a quarum than a few well meaning people wanting to do something for ALL of US.

I see no evidence of any good coming out of such an attempt. I see evidence of dues coming out of such an attempt.

One question keeps popping up and and is going unanswered. if you are not going to be able to confirm Cobras to such and such HP, safety and speed limits what is it that you guys think you will be offering an Insurance company that they will see an advantage in it for them.

Just a mailing list of eligable members won't do it. If an insuarance company is interested in a group rate and they have some requirements of us, that would make us all eligible for some fair treatment, have them come in the Club Cobra and take advantage of the existing 6000 or some names and have them tell us what is it that they want.

Let's not serve ourselves to them under the pretense of some national group. We ain't one.

They either want our business or they don't. We are an insignificant group.
Like I said before, Harley Owners, VW owners, Taurus owners is a group with far more clout than the one you guys want to organize. I don't see them getting any special considerations.

"Cobra is dangerous in the wrong hands"? yes we know that. What will this organization do to reverse that?

I also know that the accidents as cited by Great American pretty well describes the type of accidents we are having. Again, how will what you are trying to do change that?

They are in the insurance business, and that includes risk taking. That is what they get paid to do. Often they get out of this or that coverage, because there is no money in it for them.

I don't hold the insurabnce industry at as high a pedastal as others do, Otherwise they wouldn't have an Insurance comminiioner in all 50 states trying to regulate their butts.
They are not in it for the charity, they are not our friends, they are just a business trying to make a buck.

I still for the life of me, can NOT understand how you are going to make us all safer, so the insurance companies will come running to us.

If I am going to drive my car like a maniac, and drunk and race every Tom Dick and Harry who crosses my path, how in the world my $25.00 dues to some organization going to change that.

Try getting a concealed weapons permit in California. Tell them you belong to NRA. They don't appear to be impressed. Are we going to have more significance and numbers than NRA?

Aren't there enough organizations that encourages "autocross","open track", and "bracket racing" already. Why will this sanctioniong body with 150 members or so get any more accomplished than they do already.
Is this gonna be bigger than SAAC?

Sanctioned events? Are we going to have to drive to Ohio, or are you guys coming to California for us to participate in such events?

I don't know guys. I am very seldom as passionate about something as I have been on this. I suppose I am well regulated enough in California that , one more group or an entity who is thinking about telling me what to do is making the hair stand in the back of my head.
Nothing personal. I will remain in opposition.

TURK