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Old 04-01-2005, 12:27 PM
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Turk,

You stated, “There was no discussion by you on that thread at the time…” with regard to Rsimoes post, “It seems that the the {sic} Shelby is about 300 pounds heavier than the Kirkham (aluminum body and block and rear on both).”

Technically, you are correct there was no discussion by me at that time on the thread. We did, however, communicate with Risomes through emails, about these very weight issues. Otherwise, where would Risomes have gotten the information—except from us?

You then asked, “How can there be 300 lb. difference between the two cars?” Your question was posted after my post on the other thread where I detailed the weights of the different cars and I imagine you read it and I answered accordingly. If you didn’t read it, certainly others did and could have easily been confused.

Then you stated, “Since you keep coming back, tell me how a KMP weighs 300 pounds less than a Shelby? Hell you built both of them!!” We do not build Shelbys and we have never claimed to. Our cars are very different from Shelby’s cars with the exception of the frame and body. Shelby does not use our suspensions. As you very well know, Shelby only buys frames and bodies from us and on rare occasions a few other parts. My comments, as I described above, were not directed at the current CSX4000 cars, but rather at original CSX3000 cars. I simply posted the weights of the cars we have weighed and detailed the differences (iron blocks, heads, etc.) so people could see exactly what was going on.

You then stated, “Even with your aluminum mods, do you save 300 lbs. in suspension pieces? I don't think so.” I NEVER claimed a 300 pound weight savings over an original car with our suspension alone. I have only claimed an 80-100 pound weight saving with our suspensions and I estimated a 150 pound savings overall with all of our modifications. (The 20 pound difference being due to ongoing refinements in weight reduction). As I said above, “I have only said I think our car, not counting the engine and transmission, is probably 150 pounds lighter than an original car.” I have never claimed our suspensions make our car 300 pounds lighter.

You stated, “It is also not true you never drove a CSX4000 car. You had my CSX4148 for sometime. Some one there drove it. Ask them if they drive better or worse.” You are incorrect. No one here at Kirkham Motorsports drove your car. If you remember correctly, we even urged you not to drive your car as, in our opinion, we believed certain repairs needed to be made before it could be safely driven. You elected to send the car elsewhere for review and we shipped it without ever driving it. Again, I do not believe it would be proper to comment on the handling of a car I have not driven.

You stated, (with reference to our aluminum suspensions), “That is not what most of us have. Like you said you are "now" shipping.” Again, you are incorrect in your statement. For the past 2 years we have only sold 1-2 original type suspensions/year. Our aluminum suspensions outnumber original type suspension by about 2:1. At our current sales rate, billet aluminum suspensions will shortly, outnumber original type suspensions by 3:1.

David
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