[John-Tucson]

Mikiec, I drove the entire route today. From my place which is about 20 miles north of Tucson where we (the Tucson guys) will be meeting it is 190 miles. I would guess that it is about that far for you from the Apache Junction area. The time that it took me was 3:27 while doing the posted speed limits. With a stop for breakfast and a Dairy Queen you can add about 48 minutes which would put the total time to about 4:15. Plan to have breakfast in the town of Hayden, the town abuts the town of Winkelman. The resturant is " Maria's Family Resturant". It is located on the west side of the hiway and the fourth building on the right as you enter town. It is next to a sign that says "CJ's Tank & Tummy" . There is a large paved parking lot in front, the resturant has a sign on the building that simply says "Resturant". I also checked the number of gas stations and there are plenty ( even for Stuart). For your planing I'd suggest that you guys meet somewhere along Hiway 60 and drive east to Superior and then turn south on Hiway 177 for 32 miles to Hayden/ Winkelman . By checking on the map I think that if you guys depart Florence Junction ( hiways 60 & 79) at 7:30 am you'll meet us at the resturant just before 8:30 am. If you get there before us get your orders in because it is a small place. There is a major gas station about two blocks from the resturant at the junction of Hiways 177 and 77. To specifically answer your question : 8:30 am in Hayden at Maria's Family Resturant. Is that too early a start for you guys coming from the far northwest Phoenix area ? We can juggle the times a bit - my concern is the drive back home which I'd like to do before the heat sets in. Mikiec - PLEASE DON"T LEAD !!!!!