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Originally Posted by VRM
Jamo,
A DB that is searchable by employers is a really bad idea. Something like that would be too easy to hack, and would also be a very inviting target.
I would propose something like the photo/thumbprint SS card, but have a second alpha-numeric code that changes every time you get a new pic. This code would be keyed at the Fed level to your SS number, photo, and thumbprint. An prospective employer sends the code (either by website or snail mail) and thumbprint to a processing centre and the centre sends out a copy of the photo attached to the card and confirms the thumbprint.
Later, if the guy is found to be an illegal, then the employer is absolved, unless the thumbprint of the person does not match the actual person.
BTW, this would be voluntary - at the employers discretion. But if the employer does not do this check - then they are liable for any fines if they get caught. They would also be allowed to hire the person until the results of the check come back. If the results come back negative then the results are delivered by an INS agent.
If you have something better, tell us about it. I want something that is not hackable, does not send SS information in regular mail or email, and places a resonable share of the burden on both the employer and employee, as well as gives the employer a point where they are not responsible for any fines, and gives the INS a place to look if someone does not properly match.
Steve
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Steve...it's obvious you don't understand, so it's probably not worth the time that would be taken up on this site. However, in a nutshell, the SS database is already accessable to insurance companies, healthcare, credit card companies and yes, even employers...just not in real time. Thumbprints rather than pics? Hell yes, I'd go for that...but the liberals would fight it tooth and nail. That's why the federal pic ID (same as drivers licenses, so harder to argue against).
I thought, having read the bill, you would have made yourself informed of the complexities of enforcement. Obviously, from your last statement, you're not aware of the SS Mismatch lists which go out to employers and have been for several decades. Once employers turn in payroll lists to the IRS and SS, SS will send you back a list of those numbers which do not match the names. The employer, even then, is not allowed to fire the employee (because the SS card is only part of the I-9 list of acceptable IDs), but must alert the employee that the number does not match up. The employee is then allowed to go fix it at SS (or go to the guy on the street corner and get a new card). Then the employee submits the new one back to the employer, which is then submitted to the government all over again.
Here's the rub (and I've assplained this several times in these threads...your memory retention is failing
), the SS takes months to send you that list even though you submit the names/numbers quickly after folks are hired. So, the only thing we want is real time SS number/name review...it's not new, it's just too slow.
If we had a federal pic ID and the number/name doesn't match, and it's the only ID allowed, we could refuse to hire the person in the first place rather than try to fire them months later. Employers could then easily be held liable if they hire the person anyway...no excuse.