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Oooo! There is some good fun stuff here!!

Look up Deisim guys. A large number of Americas Founding Fathers wwere Deists. They did NOT believe in Christ, and Christ is never mentioned in any of the original documents.
Natures God and the Creator are mentioned in the Declaration of Independence. Both are Deist terms. The thing I don't like about some Christians is that they always want to seem to take credit for the founding of this country, and that we owe them some sort of deference as a result. It simply is not true. We even had a President say that we are not a Christian nation.

That said, I do agree with Mike about a President who uses the 10 commandments and the golden rule. I do not agree that Bush abides by those though. Those basic themes are shared by most religions, and provide a great basis for acting properly. Some people need religion to keep them on the right path. Some do not. I am not religious, but my own personal code of conduct uses elements from Shinto, Bushido, Buddhism, the above-mentioned commandments/golden rule, and good ole fashioned engineering sense.

Mike, I have to disagree about what the natural state of man is. I do think it is freedom. Governments are things created by man. Man, without government to provide for him, will do what it takes to survive on his own. That government sponsored take-care-of-me-ness is provided by people who wish you to give over your freedom to them. That's why I despise people like McCain, Bush, and Clinton. Thats why my vote will still go for Paul, even though he has no chance of winning. I will not give a vote to someone who wants to take some aspect of my freedom.

Steve