[Excaliber]

Here in Hawaii electricity costs are higher than just about anywhere else in the country. Even with that high cost I continue to calculate real world savings based on solar, the pay back isn't there, even with TAX breaks to install it! Solar hot water, real common here or photo voltaic. Pay back for a SINGLE guy like myself just aint gonna happen. Takes a family of four or more to even begin to think it will pay for itself.

I have no plans to live in this house for 20 years, by the way. I know very few people who have or plan to. If it aint 'pay back' in five years, it aint gonna happen. The local electric companies are in court RIGHT NOW fighting wind power generation stations. Local power refuses to BUY power from them. Forget 'credits', there are none.