[MysteryTrain]

Wow. Some people really make me embarrassed to live on the same planet. Dumb ass Americans who forgot where their forefathers came from, and idiot Euros who blame the US for every evil on the planet. Great, let's all nuke each other. That'll end the debate on who's the best. Y'all are no different than the teenage posers on Youtube arguing over whether Lamborginis are better than Bugattis, if a tiger could kill a lion, or if Superman is better than Batman. Let's face it, the US politicians are no less crooked than European politicians. If you inspect the ethics level of most European leaders, you will find corruption just like you do here. Same for all this partisan bs spouted in the CC lounge. For some reason, there seem to be countless dimwits who swear that their party is honest and righteous while the other party is corrupt, stupid, and evil. Wake up people. There isn't a concept, country, or ideal alive that can't be properly killed or perverted by humans organized together. The larger the number of people gathered in organization, the worse the IQ of the people in charge. See US, China, and Russia for examples.

And back to the thread . . . "who won the debate". Well that is just as asinine as the soundbytes these guys give us during the debates. There was a time when debates were actually places where different viewpoints were discussed in detail and measured by merit and intelligence. Read the Lincoln Douglass slavery debates and see what a real "debate" is like. This **** is just camera posing and a battle of who can make the slickest "rhetoric". Great debates enlighten the viewer/listener, provide details to support positions, thus giving the voter a chance to understand the thought process of their next leader. They aren't clear-cut victories like a football game. Just exactly how are we enlightened by anything said in these debates?

And BTW, there is no question that a lion would totally kick a tiger's ass.