[Fred Douglass]

....or somewhere else where Cobra-Space claimed the Founding Fathers were "progressives"? O.....M.......G.......you've got to be kiddin'. They LOATHED Big Government (Hell, they rebelled against it) and tried to allow for a slow, deliberative legislation process, to ensure the individual's rights v.a.v. The State, to corral domestic rebellion, etc. What about womens' suffrage, slavery, monetary policy, trade, etc.? Were they "progressives" there, also?

No wishy-washies amongst the Founding Fathers---the closest thing to a liberal amongst them was TJ, and he was a fan of individual gun ownership as an foil for runaway government.

There have been several books making a VERY clear, nay UNDENIABLE, case that the Founders were conservatives-----or Enlightement liberals----which is the same thing. Look how Washington, Adams (and even eventually Jefferson) viewed the Fwoggies' Revolution. BTW ours was a War for Independence----NOT a "revolution".

Carrion,