[mickmate]

Thanks Ronbo you nailed it. I have just been playing with the not repairable new one and can get it to work after tuning up some mechanism parts and contact positions. The relay wasn't latching. Ironically enough the old one is working better than the new one and they do need enough juice to fully fire the little solenoid. I have got a charger on it so I don't wake the family by running the beast at 1 am. Between solving it and the time of day I think I might be able to sleep now...........