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Congratulations to all: absolutely no traction made by either side.

Ex, for all your attempts to inject a level-headed approach, your "let's stick to the real debate" talk, you have not countered any of the logical arguments made on this and other threads.

It's just: "I think every one should health insurance; don't care about the cost, whether it will make every one better off; just I want it..."

Logic defeated by liberalism (defined as absence of logic, mostly emotion).