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Originally Posted by Excaliber
I want us all to pay a reasonable price for reasonable health care for a larger percentage of the population than currently has access to it. If you want nicer streets, better parks, a more secure neighborhood you don't call that "socialism", you call it paying taxes. Don't want better parks? You can always move or elect someone else to stop it. Maybe I DO want better parks, better health care. Maybe I'll help get those elected that have the same goals.
...stop with the socialism BS all ready, it's an extremist argument that ignores reality.
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I have not asked you to change your debating technique and I will kindly ask you to do the same for me and others. This is socialism, pure and simple. If the governemnt gets the "public option" it will drive all insurers out of the market and "own" the sole means of "production" so to speak. THAT is socialism. The ONLY reason you get to state with confidence that socialism is the way to go is because socialist thinking members of your party control the house, the senate, and the white house. If you think the current system is so bad, then fix it! Stop asking me to help you. I do not agree with you.
Happy cost of government day was August 19th (there about). This means if you earn $100,000 a year, you supported government to the tune of $70,000. That's a lot of cheese Ernie. Can you live comfortably in Hawaii on $30-$50K a year? Pay your bills? Pay for health care? Prolly not. So, lets get Uncle Sam to take care of Health Care. HCOGD now will move to September or October. Can you now live comfortably in Hawaii on $20-$30K a year? Pay your bills? Pay your mortgage? I am pretty sure I cannot, even where I live.
I sincerely do not believe in the "moral imperative". Maybe you do. Maybe you don't. But I think the main reason people such as yourself are screaming for free health care has nothing to do with the moral imperative. Its all about getting free stuff and having to live worry free. And if you have to bring big earners down to your economic level, then so be it. All the more fair, huh?
Mike