[Excaliber]

Training is certainly warranted, BUT, in my experience what "gets you" is the completely unexpected. Like an apparently good looking patch of pavement. That should offer decent traction, but you don't see the fine layer of dust, sand or dampness that's been blown onto it. I'm more cautious these days of pavement that APPEARS to offer decent traction, maybe it does, maybe not.

Or shifting into second in the middle of an intersection and the sudden loss of traction when completing the shift. I've heard several times from folks who swore they were NOT getting on it. Just a casual shift, no big deal, next thing you know they've crunched the curb from the spin out. The RULE for that one is, DON'T shift or get on it unless your pointed straight ahead.

To often the schools tend to deal with what to do when you DO get sideways, how to avoid that on a race track. It's tough to bring it home to real world and highly variable conditions on the street.