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10-08-2009, 08:56 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2004
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Originally Posted by priobe
Many have implied, that if it is built by the company that manufactures the cars to assemble the car "as a kit" it is a replica. Others have implied, that if you build it in your garage it is a kit, built from pieces.
So what are the Scratch builds considered?
Also, MANY of the cars that are built by owners are done better than the manufacture could have done. I am sure those of you that have built their cars are sure the time and attention to detail you have spent producing you car, no-one would have done the same. Regardless of how much money you spent.
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Good points. I'm amused by those that think their "factory built" cars are superior to any others. I don't understand why they think a car made in a foreign country built by minimum wage workers or one built in the U.S. by illegal immigrants is better than one built in someones garage with tender loving care.
When asked if it's real, I proudly say "it's a replica that I built". That usually brings out multiple questions about the kit, costs and the build process. Much better than having to say "I bought it" and have them walk away.
Last edited by jwd; 10-08-2009 at 09:03 AM..
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10-08-2009, 04:13 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Covington,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Superformance # 532, 466 BB, 560HP
Posts: 3,029
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jwd
Good points. I'm amused by those that think their "factory built" cars are superior to any others. I don't understand why they think a car made in a foreign country built by minimum wage workers or one built in the U.S. by illegal immigrants is better than one built in someones garage with tender loving care.
When asked if it's real, I proudly say "it's a replica that I built". That usually brings out multiple questions about the kit, costs and the build process. Much better than having to say "I bought it" and have them walk away.
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Jim, your car is absolutely beautiful, and you can easily see the care that went into building it.
However, not everyone will take the time to build a car to the level that you did. I'm sure that you would admit that yourself.
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10-08-2009, 04:40 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Cobra Make, Engine: ERA #732, 428FE (447 CID), TKO600, Solid Flat Tappet Cam, Tons of Aluminum
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jwd
I'm amused by those that think their "factory built" cars are superior to any others.
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We talked about this exact point while I was up at ERA. I think I could build a car as well as, or pretty darn close to, the folks at ERA just by ordering all the stuff from them and then putting it all together. But it would take me a couple of years to do it, working full time on it as well.  Seriously though, the key is buying all the stuff from them to reduce the need to fab stuff on your own. I think they sell every possible part except the engine -- even the air in the tires  . Now, I would not pay for "minimum wage workers in a foreign country" to do the work. But, what do I know.... maybe they're quite skilled.
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10-08-2009, 05:06 PM
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Senior Club Cobra Member
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Santa Cruz,
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Cobra Make, Engine: SPF 2613 Titanium w/Black, Roush 402SR
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Originally Posted by patrickt
I would not pay for "minimum wage workers in a foreign country" to do the work. But, what do I know.... maybe they're quite skilled.
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Hmm...like those cheap SPFs?  Most of the parts you'd have to buy are made by minimum wage workers anyway. 
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10-08-2009, 05:08 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Cobra Make, Engine: ERA #732, 428FE (447 CID), TKO600, Solid Flat Tappet Cam, Tons of Aluminum
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Got the Bug
Hmm...like those cheap SPFs?  Most of the parts you'd have to buy are made by minimum wage workers anyway. 
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They don't have a minimum wage in that particular country. 
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10-08-2009, 06:37 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Jacksonville,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Kirkham #570 w Shelby FE
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I like Clinton's response: "Depends on what your definition of is is." 
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10-08-2009, 08:48 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: New Jersey,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Shelby Cobra CSX4206 aluminum body, original 1965 NASCAR 427 SO, Dual quads.
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Do I get worked up over terms? I wouldn't say worked up but I like to keep opinions from encroaching on facts.
SAAC, who is the world accepted authority on Cobras and replicas of Cobras defines all the terms you guys are talking about and struggling to define.
You are free to use your own definitions but I prefer to use and go with the acceptd meaning of the terms as set by the authoritative text on the subject...The SAAC Registry.
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10-08-2009, 09:15 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: KMP 539, a Ton of Aluminum
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Quote:
Originally Posted by REAL 1
You are free to use your own definitions but I prefer to use and go with the acceptd meaning of the terms as set by the authoritative text on the subject...The SAAC Registry.
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 Trotting out the same old tired "fact."
Just because everyone else is jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge doesn't necessary mean we have to follow them.
Mr. Kopec and Mr. Eber are only human beings, mere mortals, they have their opinions and they I'm sure have made their fair share of mistakes.
As you said, we're free, and we can hire our own experts. 
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10-08-2009, 09:20 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Charleston,
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Cobra Make, Engine: SPF 2592, Shelby alum. 527
Posts: 325
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Quote:
Originally Posted by REAL 1
You are free to use your own definitions but I prefer to use and go with the acceptd meaning of the terms as set by the authoritative text on the subject...The SAAC Registry.
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I seriously doubt if the average guy, or his wife and son, at the local cruise-in have ever heard of the SAAC Registry. You and I both know what he (or his 12 year-old son) means when he asks you if it is "real".
He is asking if the car is one of the "real" original '60s Cobras. He expects the honest truth.
I know you are proud of your continuation series car. Be proud of what it honestly is.
Rodger
Last edited by RodgerH; 10-08-2009 at 09:22 PM..
Reason: typo correction
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10-09-2009, 08:02 AM
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Cobra Make, Engine: CSX2321
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Quote:
Originally Posted by REAL 1
You are free to use your own definitions but I prefer to use and go with the acceptd meaning of the terms as set by the authoritative text on the subject...The SAAC Registry.
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Evan mentions the SAAC World Registry. The new Registry, page 708, describes the 4000’s series as “component” cars”. This may be in keeping with the same term now used by Shelby Autos rather than "continuation". This was mentioned in another thread.
Continuation Cars
I would attach a picture of the Registry page but it is copywritten material.
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10-09-2009, 02:08 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Darnestown,
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Cobra Make, Engine: ERA 289FIA, 289 stroked to 331, 392 HP
Posts: 478
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jwd
Good points. I'm amused by those that think their "factory built" cars are superior to any others. I don't understand why they think a car made in a foreign country built by minimum wage workers or one built in the U.S. by illegal immigrants is better than one built in someones garage with tender loving care.
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I'm sure that ERA and some of the others will be interested to know that they shops are full of illegal immigrants!
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