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Coupe Devil 05-21-2010 12:46 PM

Waiting for the OP to post up some pics of his new acquisition.

NCSNAKE 05-21-2010 01:35 PM

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...e/DSC03177.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...e/DSC03198.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...e/DSC03189.jpg

More to come. Seems too good to be true.

PANAVIA 05-21-2010 01:55 PM

So the divide between 4 lug and 5 lug would be mods or track use.

i remember back when 4 lugs were current-- if we put significantly larger tires on the rear and bumped the engine up in power we might shear the 4 lugs.

Excaliber 05-21-2010 03:46 PM

Goodrich TA's. He'll never generate enough grip to warrant 5 lug no matter how hard he tries. :)

rustyBob 05-21-2010 06:41 PM

good looking car for your first Cobra.......enjoy the heck out of it......

Excaliber 05-21-2010 08:58 PM

I think the quick jacks are on the wrong side on the front? Seems to it was "nuts out"?

Yup, clean ride, nicely done, it's gonna be a blast!

NCSNAKE 05-22-2010 04:17 PM

Brought it home at 2pm this afternoon. Just ran in the house to grab another bottle of water before burning another hot lap through the neighborhood. Heard these were a blast but never imagined it could be this good!

I'm a beleiver!

CobraEd 05-22-2010 04:46 PM

Congrats!!!! Enjoy!!!! Just be careful that all of your wheel lugs dont shear off !!!!! :MECOOL:


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Excaliber 05-22-2010 05:02 PM

Gee, I hate to admit it,,, but I put a cup holder in mine, holds a bottle of water.

I hate to stop... :)

RACERAL 05-22-2010 08:21 PM

You know, I have never read a story about 4 lugs falling off in 12 years of hanging around these forums.. But you know what... I have heard of at least 2 stories about the 1 lug wheels falling off... Oh, and they were the ones that use all the new parts.


RustyBob... you do not have to use Used parts unless you choose to.
80% of the FFRs built these days use new parts.

NC SNAKE... pictures , pictures

rustyBob 05-22-2010 08:36 PM

raceral........they didnt start out that way........
it just seemed like a lot of work to tear appart a donor car to build a car
OH SHOOT.....i did it anyways.......
i will admit that mine has a few "used" parts but i didnt have to buy
a complete car to get what i needed........
and yes they have come along way since they started but i do
believe FFR advertised heavely the donor car concept.

CobraEd 05-23-2010 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RACERAL (Post 1052762)
You know, I have never read a story about 4 lugs falling off in 12 years of hanging around these forums..

yeah, Think about it, did you ever in your whole life hear about someone breaking off their wheel lugs and losing a wheel under any circumstance. From high school up to now in the Cobra environment, I have never never heard anyone breaking all their wheel lugs off under any form of hard driving conditions.


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mrmustang 05-23-2010 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PANAVIA (Post 1052433)
So the divide between 4 lug and 5 lug would be mods or track use.

i remember back when 4 lugs were current-- if we put significantly larger tires on the rear and bumped the engine up in power we might shear the 4 lugs.

Correct, if you added sticky drag slicks and dropped the hammer at 6,000rpms you could sheer the lug nuts. However, I've only heard about it once, and that was a car putting out a documented 800+ HP to the rear wheels. Most of the time the U joints would snap before the actual wheel studs would break.


Bill S.

Excaliber 05-23-2010 08:37 AM

Or, perhaps the wheel will spin and the tire won't! That actually happened to me recently, when I mounted my new slicks on the wheels I bought from Bill (thanks Mr. Mustang I love those wheels). :)

One wheel slipped inside the tire on a hard launch and tore up a section of the bead. Solution? DON'T use super slippery stuff to mount the slicks on the wheels. The freakin' sidewalls are SO stiff you will want to "grease 'em up" with something to mount 'em. Don't do that, just take them somewhere and have them professionally mounted, OK? :) Slicks will kick your butt trying to mount them yourself in the garage.

No serious damage to the tire, but it sure was an eye opener as to the stress you can generate on the wheel/tire combo.

ICBomber90 05-23-2010 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NCSNAKE (Post 1052431)
[IMG]http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...e/DSC03189.jpg

More to come. Seems too good to be true.

Very nice! Enjoy your Cobra, looks like a very clean build. IMHO, 4 or 5 lugs really don't matter, just gives you different wheel choices.

Pat

lovehamr 05-23-2010 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CobraEd (Post 1052830)
yeah, Think about it, did you ever in your whole life hear about someone breaking off their wheel lugs and losing a wheel under any circumstance. From high school up to now in the Cobra environment, I have never never heard anyone breaking all their wheel lugs off under any form of hard driving conditions.

Now you have. Actually, I guess if you haven't been involved with alot of Fox body racing you wouldn't know, but this is not all that rare and is one reason why there is a booming trade in axle replacements for Fox Mustangs. Normally the axle shears before the lugs but that doesn't mean that the 4 lug format isn't crap. This just happens to be from the July 2010 issue of MM&FF.

http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/data/500/4_lug.jpg

BTW, I imagine that in your (and my) era of "highschool" everything had at least 5 lug!! LOL:LOL:

Steve

lovehamr 05-23-2010 02:33 PM

NCSNAKE, pretty car man!! BTW, don't go with the "nuts out" thing. Every time I do that some old lady shoots me a mean look.......


Steve

Excaliber 05-23-2010 06:33 PM

Good post Steve, still, I think this is this an exceptional event as it relates to the vast majority of cars and replicas in particular. The Fox body Stang is not only heavier but is widely used specifically for drag racing purposes. No doubt slicks or very high traction tires were used in the example posted here.

Few replicas will see such torture, fewer still will be running slicks or very high grip tires. Making it almost certain tire slip will occur before a lug nut sheer condition. Certainly will never happen running Goodrich TA's, no way you could get enough traction to sheer a four lug on straight line acelleration!

But like I said earlier, IF I was seriously going racing, I'd swap out to a five lug.

tcrist 05-23-2010 09:34 PM

That picture does not look like it was from a race vehicle. Maybe from a street vehicle that someone was trying to race. Could also be from loose lug nuts, over tightening them or both.

But hay, I could be wrong.

Excaliber 05-24-2010 01:37 AM

Eh eh, and just what does a "race vehicle" Fox body Mustang look like???

I've seen plenty of them run at local drag strips, there are tons of pictures of them on the net as well. MOST of them look pretty much stock, there an inexpensive way to go low buck racing.

I knew a guy in Honolulu that ran a fairly crappy looking old Fox body and a motor he put together himself. He was using a Nitrous shot and was pulling some amazing times with car. I asked him if he worried about blowing the motor up. He was like, "No problem, easy to find another 302, swap the bottle, start over".

Older Mustangs really are a bargain and plenty parts available.


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