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08-23-2010, 10:44 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Hideaway, Texas,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Backdraft #318, 418 CI, 532 RWHP, Mass Flow Injected, TKO600-Road Race, BMW M3 Suspension, Race Springs (Wouldn't do it again, rough on the street).
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Sorry Chas. No disrespect or ignoring of your post was intended at all.
Maybe this will unruffled your feathers a bit. You obviously have good information based on experience and I don't want to discourage you from providing it to others.
I sent an email to AFR, detailing the full motor build and use (one of your concerns), the problem, with pictures of the plugs. Their recommendation was the 3922s, with a host of reasons and comparison to other plugs, including slightly different version comparisons to your brand. These guys made the heads and provided the back up for their recommendations. The motor builder also recommended the 3922s, citing AFRs work independently. It all seemed like a good idea and reasonable starting place.
But really, I am also quite sure your suggestion worked well for you and probably would or will work well for me too. Seems the conditions are pretty close.
I had to do this in a hurry, in a small town without much in the way of resources and simply had to take what was available and get as close as possible. It didn't work well and that's my point. My post was to actually try to help someone else who might find themselves in the same boat someday. If you have to stray from experience or solid recommendations, be careful. Which is what I did. The motor is not in meltdown mode, it's pinging a bit on the low end. About 25 miles and it's parked waiting on the good stuff.
No insult or ignoring of your post was intended at all and I still thank you for your time and suggestions, which I may get back to before this is over!
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Wayne Rogers in Hideaway, Texas
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08-23-2010, 12:51 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2003
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Wayne,
No insult taken in spite of my strong post. I am simply frustrated and thought ordering from Summit is painless, a two-day affair and I was hoping a trial of these plugs was indicated. If not good for you-you're no worse off than now.
The really good part of the process for me was the give and take with Brandon Peeler, the NGK web tech. He really delved into my combination and came up with the FR4's.
He hit it perfectly-first time- which I guess I could have conveyed better to you. I didn't contact Shelby, my head mfgr-I thought the plug-side of the equation might work better so I searched Champ, Autolite, Bosch, Accel-all the bigs. I couldn't get apples/apples heat range comaprisons-even after looking at 1000 cross ref charts and apps like 'Ford, 1965, Galaxy' then get the 13/16 old style plugs.
If you tried them, I was hoping you'd be as successful as I was and spare you a lot of monkeying. You can still try them when time permits.
ALL of us here will have different heat-range requirements and one-plug-fits-all will not get top performance.
Good luck.
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Chas.
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08-23-2010, 02:00 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Navarre,
FL
Cobra Make, Engine: Unique 427 S/C, 427ci
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wrogers55
Sorry Chas. No disrespect or ignoring of your post was intended at all.
Maybe this will unruffled your feathers a bit. You obviously have good information based on experience and I don't want to discourage you from providing it to others.
I sent an email to AFR, detailing the full motor build and use (one of your concerns), the problem, with pictures of the plugs. Their recommendation was the 3922s, with a host of reasons and comparison to other plugs, including slightly different version comparisons to your brand. These guys made the heads and provided the back up for their recommendations. The motor builder also recommended the 3922s, citing AFRs work independently. It all seemed like a good idea and reasonable starting place.
But really, I am also quite sure your suggestion worked well for you and probably would or will work well for me too. Seems the conditions are pretty close.
I had to do this in a hurry, in a small town without much in the way of resources and simply had to take what was available and get as close as possible. It didn't work well and that's my point. My post was to actually try to help someone else who might find themselves in the same boat someday. If you have to stray from experience or solid recommendations, be careful. Which is what I did. The motor is not in meltdown mode, it's pinging a bit on the low end. About 25 miles and it's parked waiting on the good stuff.
No insult or ignoring of your post was intended at all and I still thank you for your time and suggestions, which I may get back to before this is over!
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Just as an FYI.... my 3922 plugs are gapped at .040"
Mark
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