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computerworks 01-29-2011 10:38 AM

CSX3178 has been noted as the "host" for Shelby's cars....with shots of the body on a stand during that time frame.

But Kris has the first-person insight and I would take his input.

SunDude 01-29-2011 11:17 AM

Ron, it would be great if you and Kris could sort out the facts and let us know what's what here. I don't have access to any of the peopple or documents to do this myself. I'd be happy to accept whatever you guys can determine, as fact.

computerworks 01-29-2011 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by SunDude (Post 1106052)
Ron, it would be great if you and Kris could sort out the facts and let us know what's what here.

Actually, it's not that big a deal for me to know which is which.

Your quest, not mine.

It was either 3178 or the Kimmins body.

kris-kincaid 02-01-2011 02:49 AM

It was CSX3057

Quote:

Originally Posted by SunDude (Post 1106052)
Ron, it would be great if you and Kris could sort out the facts and let us know what's what here. I don't have access to any of the peopple or documents to do this myself. I'd be happy to accept whatever you guys can determine, as fact.


SunDude 02-01-2011 08:10 PM

This just in, from the good folks over at SCOF...

Apparently the body for the Superformance MkIII was originally based on the Contemporary Classics Cobra replica, which itself was based on CSX3045.

Jimmy Price ended up making several important revisions to the body shape, both to address some imperfections in the Contemporary body and to improve some of the aesthetics. Click here for the full story.

I imagine this could end up being a very familiar story. That is, that many of the replicas we enjoy were themselves based on other replica makes, instead of original Cobras.

ASO544 09-26-2015 09:23 PM

Any info on how Backdraft Racing got their mold?

1ntCobra 09-27-2015 05:44 AM

So if the CSX4000/6000 fiberglass continuation cars are based off of CSX3057 which is a completion car with a Kimmins body, what was the Kimmins body based off of?

SunDude 09-27-2015 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by 1ntCobra (Post 1364542)
So if the CSX4000/6000 fiberglass continuation cars are based off of CSX3057 which is a completion car with a Kimmins body, what was the Kimmins body based off of?

Yep, it would appear so. I don't know where Kimmins got his panel bucks, although IIRC he has restored many originals over the years.

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Originally Posted by ASO544 (Post 1364534)
Any info on how Backdraft Racing got their mold?

No one has offered that info yet. But if anyone can ID where BDR or any other manufacturer took their molds, I'll update my original post.

66gtk 09-27-2015 07:04 AM

Great thread resurrection. I thought the HiTech cars had 2 versions depending on when it was built (fiberglass vs Aluminum tunnel, etc)....
When D'Antonio was building the earlier ones (mostly all fiberglass cockpit) I am unclear what they used to mold the body. Later, when Tim Gunning was building them, they used 3190 to mold a whole new car. I believe most (possibly all) of those had aluminum floors/tunnel. It is certainly not definite, but my understanding is that MOST of the cars that start out with VINs "HTR" are the earlier ones, and the "HTM" are the later ones. Again, I don't think it's a crystal clear distinction, but it gives you a starting point. Along with sharing the name of the current South African facility making the CSX cars there is a lot of serious confusion when it comes to HiTech Cobras.

Dominik 09-29-2015 02:39 PM

Superformance
 
Just on the SPF:
It was CCX 3080 which was brought into SA in the late 80s by Mr Cohen. I don't know how often the car changed hands before I bought it from Richard Ransome.

Jimmy P told me the story. The front fenders were changed if I remember correctly. CCX's came further out and down.

I don't know if the mould(s) were changed later. SPF do look different to me than CCX.

my427cobra 09-29-2015 02:52 PM

So far only a passing comment about NAF's (North American Fiberglass) CSX body origin.

Does anybody know any more?

Cheers
Greg

Hoity 09-29-2015 04:58 PM

Any Ideas on the DAX car from the UK?
cheers
jon

mrmustang 09-29-2015 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoity (Post 1364957)
Any Ideas on the DAX car from the UK?
cheers
jon

Not a CSX, but based off an 61 AC ACE 2.6, or so I was told many years ago (I'm thinking mid 90's) by someone who was friendly with John Tojerio in the UK.


Bill S.

rodneym 09-29-2015 06:05 PM

Trick question: What about Exact Carbon?

LMH 09-29-2015 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by rodneym (Post 1364971)
Trick question: What about Exact Carbon?

I thought Roger didn't let that info out. (though it's not much of a secret if you do a little searching)
Larry

fordracing65 09-29-2015 09:38 PM

Which mold looks the best... I wonder how they chose the car to splash off of, or if they had to use whatever cobra owner would let them copy it...

xb-60 09-29-2015 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by fordracing65 (Post 1364998)
Which mold looks the best... I wonder how they chose the car to splash off of, or if they had to use whatever cobra owner would let them copy it...

I've often wondered...if you had an original Cobra 289/427 or an original GT40, all worth way more than the cost of a really nice house, why would you allow someone to splash it?
Maybe some owners didn't know what was being done....? :eek:

Cheers,
Glen

LMH 09-29-2015 10:24 PM

I can say with personal knowledge that HiTech's molding of CSX3190 was a full molding directly from the original car and not a measured or partial copy. It was done with full knowledge and permission of the owner during it's restoration. I don't know about others though.
Larry

fordracing65 09-29-2015 10:38 PM

The Kirkham's owned the one they splashed I believe so that makes since to use their own car, but if they had a choice of all the originals I wonder which CSX has the best lines and most even from side to side...

BAsque1 09-30-2015 05:44 AM

Any idea as to the splashing of the Kellison---> West Coast Cobra???


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