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Old 10-27-2011, 06:23 PM
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For me it is my experiance with Contemporary Classic. I got one of the prototypes (I was not informed) nothing fit, nothing worked, I got the back order deal (still waiting Peter) parts were crap. I would call and tell Peter that the "specially made parts"did not fit! I would get" yes we are aware of that and have corrected that"Ihave had the kit for two months and after a few calls I was told to f.... off!!! Montti Gotti who was the real guy behind the construction was nice and he talked to me a lot even after his health started going south,Peter Bayer who seems to be the face of Contemporary is a JACK OFF. Contemporary is one of the best cobra kits ever, and I am sure that all the manufactures have a story of someone who slipped between the cracks,for contemporary that was me.
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Old 10-27-2011, 07:11 PM
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Although I can't find a photo, one company grafted a Chevy Caprice with a cobra. It really sucked, as with most cars that you can name what makes were used. I don't know why people do this ?

Look at this Lambo,.....? (Pontiac Fiero )
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Old 10-27-2011, 08:31 PM
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It was for mistakes like these that the term FUGLY was invented.
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Old 10-28-2011, 09:53 AM
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That is a strange Lambo kit. I have seen Lambo kit that go on a stock length Fireo and they look ok a little short,but this one looks loke it was built on a golf cart.
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For me it is my experiance with Contemporary Classic. I got one of the prototypes (I was not informed) nothing fit, nothing worked, I got the back order deal (still waiting Peter) parts were crap. I would call and tell Peter that the "specially made parts"did not fit! I would get" yes we are aware of that and have corrected that"Ihave had the kit for two months and after a few calls I was told to f.... off!!! Montti Gotti who was the real guy behind the construction was nice and he talked to me a lot even after his health started going south,Peter Bayer who seems to be the face of Contemporary is a JACK OFF. Contemporary is one of the best cobra kits ever, and I am sure that all the manufactures have a story of someone who slipped between the cracks,for contemporary that was me.
Maybe it was because you were putting a Chevy in it Just kidding! I built a very early Contemporary and had some minor fitment issues but nothing that I would complain about. My only problems were with their NJ dealers got ripped off for $2k deposit on a body, guy skipped town with my money.
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Old 10-29-2011, 07:12 AM
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Are you sure that is just a under cover, secret operation for GM's new car they don't want people to see yet ?

How god awful !


Yes, but if you look at the pictures closely, you will see that the seat says "Cobra"..
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Old 10-29-2011, 07:15 AM
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Cool,....must be the 2013 Mustang Cobra.
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There are some Corvette based Cobra replicas out there, and while some apparently aren't too bad, I've seen at least one that looks like a '57 Chevy stretch limo with some Cobra styling cues tossed in for effect.
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That Fox body thing is the Duck-billed-platypus of Cobras.
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In your opinion,.... what is the worst cobra manufacture as far as appearance, quality ect,...past or current, and why ?

Photo's would be great, so we all can see what went wrong with the particular company's version of the Cobra.

I don't know anything about this cobra, whither it was a company or one man's dream of a cobra, but it's the WORST BUTT UGLY of a car, let alone a cobra,... I've ever seen.

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The reason it's ugly is very simple. It was built to pass federal safety and emissions standards of the day, because it is not a kit car. It's a manufactured car. Goben Cobra. Don Goben outfitted a manufacturing plant for these cars near his Chevrolet dealership in Wisconsin. For ease of manufacture, the center section of a Cadillac Cimarron was used. The rest of the car is hand built around it. Not only did it pass federal standards, it was sold with a warranty. Available with Chevy or Ford engine. Shelby sued him. Production was ceased and most units retrieved and destroyed. There are 4 units that still exist in the world today- the one you have pictured here is the prototype or mule car. There is nothing cheap about this build. This prototype car had a 350 HP 350 Chevy engine in it. You may not respect the looks of the car, but you have to respect one of the most ambitious undertakings in Cobra lore. It may be "ugly", but it is a rare story in automotive history. You will find absolutely no information on this car unless you can find the old Ebay ad from several years ago. There used to be a website, but it was supported by two Goben owners, and they let the website go. Again, it's not a kit car. It was an attempt by an ambitious entrepreneur to small scale produce a factory built Cobra tribute that was able to pass all federal standards and carry a warranty.
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The reason it's ugly is very simple. It was built to pass federal safety and emissions standards of the day, because it is not a kit car. It's a manufactured car. Goben Cobra. Don Goben outfitted a manufacturing plant for these cars near his Chevrolet dealership in Wisconsin. For ease of manufacture, the center section of a Cadillac Cimarron was used. The rest of the car is hand built around it. Not only did it pass federal standards, it was sold with a warranty. Available with Chevy or Ford engine. Shelby sued him. Production was ceased and most units retrieved and destroyed. There are 4 units that still exist in the world today- the one you have pictured here is the prototype or mule car. There is nothing cheap about this build. This prototype car had a 350 HP 350 Chevy engine in it. You may not respect the looks of the car, but you have to respect one of the most ambitious undertakings in Cobra lore. It may be "ugly", but it is a rare story in automotive history. You will find absolutely no information on this car unless you can find the old Ebay ad from several years ago. There used to be a website, but it was supported by two Goben owners, and they let the website go. Again, it's not a kit car. It was an attempt by an ambitious entrepreneur to small scale produce a factory built Cobra tribute that was able to pass all federal standards and carry a warranty.
Definitely a pushpin in the historical timeline of replicas.

However, these facts cannot change reality...this thing was an esthetic abomination.

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You will find absolutely no information on this car unless you can find the old Ebay ad from several years ago. There used to be a website, but it was supported by two Goben owners, and they let the website go.
Let's preserve that old website for posterity right here.










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Definitely a pushpin in the historical timeline of replicas.

However, these facts cannot change reality...this thing was an esthetic abomination.



Let's preserve that old website for posterity right here.











Thanks for posting that. I haven't seen that in a long time.
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Old 10-30-2011, 09:19 AM
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The reason it's ugly is very simple. It was built to pass federal safety and emissions standards of the day, because it is not a kit car. It's a manufactured car. Goben Cobra. Don Goben outfitted a manufacturing plant for these cars near his Chevrolet dealership in Wisconsin. For ease of manufacture, the center section of a Cadillac Cimarron was used. The rest of the car is hand built around it. Not only did it pass federal standards, it was sold with a warranty. Available with Chevy or Ford engine. Shelby sued him. Production was ceased and most units retrieved and destroyed. There are 4 units that still exist in the world today- the one you have pictured here is the prototype or mule car. There is nothing cheap about this build. This prototype car had a 350 HP 350 Chevy engine in it. You may not respect the looks of the car, but you have to respect one of the most ambitious undertakings in Cobra lore. It may be "ugly", but it is a rare story in automotive history. You will find absolutely no information on this car unless you can find the old Ebay ad from several years ago. There used to be a website, but it was supported by two Goben owners, and they let the website go. Again, it's not a kit car. It was an attempt by an ambitious entrepreneur to small scale produce a factory built Cobra tribute that was able to pass all federal standards and carry a warranty.
Quite the story.

I just don't see why builders like this gentleman, use grafted parts in such a way that the finished product looks this bad. Not only can you see two different cars, but the body line gaps are terrible. For example, look at the side profile of the door, there's a huge gap at the top where it meets up with the fender and it's also tilted inward at the top. Same goes for the gap between the rear bumper cover and the quarter panel. I'm a auto body man and this is unacceptable for a "manufactured" automobile. Anyway, I could pick the car apart all day, but it is still a very badly built car and do don't understand why someone or a company, would produce such a bad example of a Cobra, or any other car,... as far as that goes. I'm surprised he sold any at all.

The top half of the cobra rear section and the bottom being the doner bumper look's terrible.

Since he went to the extent to pass federal safety and emissions standards, he would have gotten Shelby's permission.
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"Let's preserve that old website for posterity right here"
...to hopefully deter anyone in the future that may have an equally bad idea.

..like turning a Focus into a Cobra-like disaster.
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Old 10-30-2011, 09:40 AM
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My wife just looked at the car and said with the Halloween coming up, that she vote's it as the scariest, calling it,....FRANKINCOBRA !

Being built by Goben, how about,.... "the Goblin" for Halloween.

"like turning a Focus into a Cobra-like disaster".

How abou calling it a,.....Focucobra
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Quite the story.

I just don't see why builders like this gentleman, use grafted parts in such a way that the finished product looks this bad. Not only can you see two different cars, but the body line gaps are terrible. For example, look at the side profile of the door, there's a huge gap at the top where it meets up with the fender and it's also tilted inward at the top. Same goes for the gap between the rear bumper cover and the quarter panel. I'm a auto body man and this is unacceptable for a "manufactured" automobile. Anyway, I could pick the car apart all day, but it is still a very badly built car and do don't understand why someone or a company, would produce such a bad example of a Cobra, or any other car,... as far as that goes. I'm surprised he sold any at all.

The top half of the cobra rear section and the bottom being the doner bumper look's terrible.

Since he went to the extent to pass federal safety and emissions standards, he would have gotten Shelby's permission.
Look at the photos of a production model in the pics computerworks posted. The fitment is much better than that of the prototype car.
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0 to 160 mph in under 5 secs. I don't care I want one....I'll be going sooo fast you won't be able to tell its fugly !
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