California gas prices

[Ron AZ]

Bobcowan and Varmit's comments hit the nail right on the head.. You elected them, and you got what you asked for in CA. As to the refineries, they are not going to build more or improve them due to all the state and federal govt EPA rules. Due to CA having such restrictive gas blends you can't get gas from any other refineries in nearby states, because they don't make the CA blends. If more refineries close, you're going to see much higher prices and less gas available. Think 1987 and all the gas lines. Hope it doesn't happen to you, but I think the writing is on the wall.

[timsullivan]

California: Love it or leave it. Varmit: Please leave.

[Varmit]

Originally Posted by timsullivan

California: Love it or leave it. Varmit: Please leave.

oh really!!! When and if I do it will be MY decision

[DAVID GAGNARD]

The refineries claim the high transportation cost. Hey, just drill for oil 6 miles a shore and tap into the massive reserves. About 300 years worth and the gas prices would be lower than the rest of the lower 48.

Bobcowan and Varmit's comments hit the nail right on the head.. You elected them, and you got what you asked for in CA. As to the refineries, they are not going to build more or improve them due to all the state and federal govt EPA rules.

There has not been a new oil refinery built in the US in over 30 years and as long as the EPA and other goverment agencys have their way, there will never be another oil refinery built, the restrictions are such that it makes it impossible to build a refinery from the ground up.....it's hard enough for the oil companies to expand and update what they have now.....

It's kinda hard for the rest of the country to feel sorry for you guys in California about the high gas prices when you'll are sitting on one of the largest known oil reserves in the country right off your coast and refuse to drill it......something about not wanting to ruin your veiw of the ocean with oil rigs on the horizon????
You have no idea how much better off your state would be with oil drilling off the coast. The commerce and jobs it brings in mind boggling........
Sorry guys,just can feel sorry for you when you have all the oil you need and refuse to use it.....
Maybe one day the citizens will wake up and vote the liberal tree hugging folks out of office and get some people in there that have a brain that actually works....

David

[rms427]

Chevron Richmond refinery spent about 5 years to get a permit to upgrade the refinery. The cost was 1 billion and would allow the refinery to process heavier cheaper crude. After starting the project a suit was filed and stopped the project. The folks who filed the suit could not understand why Chevron laid off the 1200 folks working on the project.

If you can't even get approval to upgrade a refinery what chance do you think you would get to build a new one. There was also a refinery in Southern California that was shut down for economic reasons. It was purchased by Christian organization. They tried to restart the refinery but could not get the approvals so it was dismantled.

The final point is the integrated oil companies make most of their money producing oil not in refining and marketing products. In the 31 years I worked for one there were only a few years that the refining end made much money. Several years they actually lost money.